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re: GM immediately cuts benefits for striking workers; UAW triggered
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:49 am to arseinclarse
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:49 am to arseinclarse
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Lol. Cobra sucks
COBRA is the same plan they are on the difference is there is no employer paid portion and there can be an administrative surcharge added on.
It is costly but the same plan. Given that the employers portion is getting covered by the union the employees won’t notice a change on that front.
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:56 am to member12
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The Union apparently told their members that the company would continue covering them, which apparently isn’t the case.
Not surprising. Union reps and officers are some of the sleaziest motherfrickers walking this earth.
Hell personal injury lawyers are more honest than they are.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:03 am to Chuker
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take care of glutinous union workers?
They are made of gluten?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:12 am to member12
Stick it out. Still better job than most. Let them work at home depot and theyll be back to work quick.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:16 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Given that the employers portion is getting covered by the union
Yeah, that is going to cut into Union profits real fast.
Unions are a for profit entity now.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:20 am to Pelican fan99
GM is screwing the workers by shifting benefits, running temp workers for 5+ years, pushing jobs offshore after promising not to and gouging consumers with massive price increases while not reinvesting profits in quality improvement.
UAW is screwing workers by stealing left and right from their general fund and the consumer by protecting underperforming workers from being termed.
I don’t think anyone is clean in this fight, but GM certainly isn’t the hero.
UAW is screwing workers by stealing left and right from their general fund and the consumer by protecting underperforming workers from being termed.
I don’t think anyone is clean in this fight, but GM certainly isn’t the hero.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:21 am to member12
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The Union apparently told their members that the company would continue covering them, which apparently isn’t the case.
Sad thing is that the only way the company can expect to do this and get away with it is if the union agreed to this provision in the bargaining agreement.
So not only did the union lie to the employees to say don’t worry about blow back, the company will still cover them, they are acting like the company is the bad guy when they are the ones to agree to it.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:27 am to teke184
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Bravo, GM. Didn’t think you had the balls to do this.
Yeah, and unions lying to it's members is just so unions. When will idiots learn.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:28 am to tide06
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and gouging consumers with massive price increases
How is it "gouging?" You don't need to buy a GM truck. Other people are obviously willing to pay.Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:28 am to member12
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If you don’t work, do you still get paid?
not by the entity you are striking
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:31 am to 777Tiger
The union has a billion dollar fund to pay expenses during strikes. The transfer of medical was not a surprise to anyone. I thought it was a good move and made me happy until someone in a union explained it to me.
BTW, frick unions.
BTW, frick unions.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:34 am to tide06
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and gouging consumers with massive price increases
Trucks today are cheaper factoring in inflation than they were in the mid 90s, and they're far batter quality. Stop acting like every new truck costs $50k.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:36 am to Janky
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The union has a billion dollar fund to pay expenses during strikes.
are you saying this specifically about UAW? because this is not normally the case
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The transfer of medical was not a surprise to anyone.
although unions are getting more sophisticated in the benefits area, it is not meant for strike coverage, strikers are probably having to use COBRA or go without coverage
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:39 am to 777Tiger
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are you saying this specifically about UAW? because this is not normally the case
Yes.
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although unions are getting more sophisticated in the benefits area, it is not meant for strike coverage, strikers are probably having to use COBRA or go without coverage
I will go see if I can find the text and post it. It was from another forum.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:41 am to member12
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General Motors Co shifted health insurance costs for its striking workers to the United Auto Workers union
Well done GM.
If these employees don't like their wages, benefits, and/or working conditions, then go get a different job. Or, hell, start your own business manufacturing automobiles and take GM down.
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If you don’t work, do you still get paid?
frick no. When you are striking you are actively trying to damage your employer's business - they aren't going to pay you for that. At this point you are doing the union's business, let them pay you (if they can
). 
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:41 am to 777Tiger
Cobra is usually retroactive, you can not pay for it until you need it. Its not just the cost of your portion plus your employers portion, there are massive admin fees to allow it to be retroactive.
Given that, I'm not sure if Cobra is an option here as they are not technically without a job right?
The problem the autoworkers face these days, is these jobs pay and benefits is insanely better then any of their other options for employment. Its not a free market anymore. If these guys don't work for the Automakers, their pay is cut in half or more sometimes. This whole idea they should be paid more is laughable.
Given that, I'm not sure if Cobra is an option here as they are not technically without a job right?
The problem the autoworkers face these days, is these jobs pay and benefits is insanely better then any of their other options for employment. Its not a free market anymore. If these guys don't work for the Automakers, their pay is cut in half or more sometimes. This whole idea they should be paid more is laughable.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:42 am to Janky
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I can find the text
that would be unsubstantiated and speculative, some of the most clueless people with regards to the contract and the "state of the union," are the rank and file membership
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:43 am to Janky
This is from a guy that works for Ford in MI.
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All parties know that before they walk...No big surprise...Heslthcare is paid for out of the Billion dollars or so the UAW has in the strike fund....They wont have dental though but everything else stays the same...
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Theyve always covered out of the strike fund..Nothing new..
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:51 am to Janky
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“We understand strikes are difficult and disruptive to families,” GM spokesman Jim Cain said in an email. “While on strike, some benefits shift to being funded by the union’s strike fund, and in this case hourly employees are eligible for union-paid COBRA so their health care benefits can continue.”
GM has said in the past that it annually spends about $1 billion a year on healthcare coverage for its hourly workers, suggesting the monthly cost per worker is in the range of $1,700 to $2,000. The UAW on its website said its strike fund covers certain benefits such as medical and prescription drugs, but not dental, vision and hearing. (uaw.org/strike-faq/)
A UAW spokesman had no immediate comment, but Terry Dittes, vice president in charge of the union’s GM department, in a letter to union leaders on Tuesday, said the UAW would review its legal options regarding GM’s decision.
During the walkout, UAW members also receive $250 a week from the union’s strike fund.
Reuters
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:52 am to tide06
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gouging consumers with massive price increases while not reinvesting profits in quality improvement.
Holy shite this is a stupid take. Only way GM could gouge consumers is if they were the only automobile maker out there and you had to buy a car from them to survive. IF GM is price gouging, go buy a Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Dodge, Audi, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, etc etc.
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