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Posted on 5/7/20 at 5:31 pm to Penrod
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I have been telling my wife for a month that there are oddities in the statistics about this virus that will end up explained by one of two things: either way more people have had Covid-19 than we thought (like over 50%), or some people can’t get it. Antibody tests show that the first is not likely, therefore large numbers of people can’t get COVID-19. Why? I don’t know. But this study hypothesizes just such. An example of the statistical oddities is that over and over we see 20 % as the top percentage of people in a highly exposed group who catch it. The Diamond Princess, for example.
I couldn’t agree with you more
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:59 am to WaWaWeeWa
Research team from La Jolla confirms this finding and find 50% of random samples from 2015-2018 had these T cells!
This may be playing a significant role in the strange patterns in spread and severity we are seeing.
LINK
Serious question: when do we start infecting people with common cold coronavirus? If we can prove those recovered patients are the ones have almost undetectable symptoms
This may be playing a significant role in the strange patterns in spread and severity we are seeing.
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The La Jolla team detected this crossreactivity in about half of stored blood samples collected between 2015 and 2018, well before the current pandemic began. The researchers think these cells were likely triggered by past infection with one of the four human coronaviruses that cause colds; proteins in these viruses resemble those of SARS-CoV-2.
LINK
Serious question: when do we start infecting people with common cold coronavirus? If we can prove those recovered patients are the ones have almost undetectable symptoms
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Serious question: when do we start infecting people with common cold coronavirus? If we can prove those recovered patients are the ones have almost undetectable symptoms
Good question. I would imagine this would be safer than a human challenge study with a vaccine?
Trigger Warning - CNN
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:21 am to WaWaWeeWa
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when do we start infecting people with common cold coronavirus?
I'll save you a lot of money. Just go volunteer at your local public school. We'll get you infected efficiently and at low cost.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:34 am to WaWaWeeWa
Tiger Blood. It works for Charlie Sheen.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:48 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Good find!
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
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when do we start infecting people with common cold coronavirus?
I'll save you a lot of money. Just go volunteer at your local public school. We'll get you infected efficiently and at low cost.
Since seeing the earlier study in this thread, I've thought that a good test group to check for this, as far as adults are concerned, would be school teachers.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:53 pm to Sasquatch Smash
If this hypothesis is true you have to wonder what the lockdowns did to the spread of common cold coronaviruses. I’m sure it wiped out those and they could have been circulating giving us a protective effect. If there is a second wave does this play in to it?
Luckily it appears T cell immunity lasts much longer, even years, after infection.
Luckily it appears T cell immunity lasts much longer, even years, after infection.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:14 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If this hypothesis is true you have to wonder what the lockdowns did to the spread of common cold coronaviruses. I’m sure it wiped out those and they could have been circulating giving us a protective effect. If there is a second wave does this play in to it?
Saying that we might have fricked ourselves even further by shutting off this possible route to helpful immunity by closing schools?
Hmmm....
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Luckily it appears T cell immunity lasts much longer, even years, after infection.
Yeah...let's hope this is a real thing. Would go a long way in this whole fiasco.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:23 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I wonder if this explains some of the military vs. dependent data:
Albeit too low of a numerator in both cases to draw any significance whatsoever (other than to say the mortality rate is low in these groups).
Active duty: 5472 cases, 2 deaths (0.037%)
Dependents: 987 cases, 4 deaths (0.41%) or 10x higher.
Dependents are the spouses or children of active duty, so age grouping is comparable.
Some comorbidities (extreme obesity, T1 diabetes) would be excluded from the Active Duty group but not the dependent group. It's certainly feasible that there a 4 poorly controlled diabetics in the military dependent group.
But, I remember in my boot camp group just about everyone picked up a cold/flu a few weeks into boot camp. This was explained as being exposed to all the variations of colds, flus, etc. that existed throughout the country that now get exposed to new hosts when 80+ people from everywhere get together in close contact for a few months.
Albeit too low of a numerator in both cases to draw any significance whatsoever (other than to say the mortality rate is low in these groups).
Active duty: 5472 cases, 2 deaths (0.037%)
Dependents: 987 cases, 4 deaths (0.41%) or 10x higher.
Dependents are the spouses or children of active duty, so age grouping is comparable.
Some comorbidities (extreme obesity, T1 diabetes) would be excluded from the Active Duty group but not the dependent group. It's certainly feasible that there a 4 poorly controlled diabetics in the military dependent group.
But, I remember in my boot camp group just about everyone picked up a cold/flu a few weeks into boot camp. This was explained as being exposed to all the variations of colds, flus, etc. that existed throughout the country that now get exposed to new hosts when 80+ people from everywhere get together in close contact for a few months.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:39 pm to BRIllini07
It’s possible but I think your other hypothesis of weeding out comorbidities is probably more likely.
However, we have to consider that most active military are male so their dependents are female and children, two groups which should be less effected than men. So it is very interesting.
Do they get a MMR booster in basic training? I know nothing about the military
However, we have to consider that most active military are male so their dependents are female and children, two groups which should be less effected than men. So it is very interesting.
Do they get a MMR booster in basic training? I know nothing about the military
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:44 pm to TulaneFan
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“So basically this means we need to extend the lockdown for 45 more weeks”
- John Bel Edwards
Eric Garcetti. L.A.: "Can I get in on this?"
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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MMR booster
How's the factor looking?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:02 pm to WaWaWeeWa
good thread, its becoming patently obvious that this whole thing was overblown especially for healthy people.
my biggest concerns/questions are what the govt does in the fall to "control" us
do we have football, basketball, baseball, concerts, festivals?
my biggest concerns/questions are what the govt does in the fall to "control" us
do we have football, basketball, baseball, concerts, festivals?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I want to say I got 2 vaccination shots in each shoulder + the penicillin shot in the arse.
I’ll see if I can find what they were. I would imagine tetanus, MMR, flu, and something?
I’ll see if I can find what they were. I would imagine tetanus, MMR, flu, and something?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:20 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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How's the factor looking?
I’m not sure what you mean.
There is a theory that the MMR vaccine can give some immunity against the spike protein on SARS-CoV-2. If the active military got those boosters and their age matched dependents didn’t and we are seeing such a difference in mortality rate despite them being in a higher risk category then that is significant information.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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’m not sure what you mean.
There is a theory that the MMR vaccine can give some immunity against the spike protein on SARS-CoV-2. If the active military got those boosters and their age matched dependents didn’t and we are seeing such a difference in mortality rate despite them being in a higher risk category then that is significant information.
Right. I was asking if there have been any more details regarding this hypothesis.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:43 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Not that I’ve heard. I know Tulane medical center just started research on this issue last week.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:01 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s possible but I think your other hypothesis of weeding out comorbidities is probably more likely.
However, we have to consider that most active military are male so their dependents are female and children, two groups which should be less effected than men. So it is very interesting.
Do they get a MMR booster in basic training? I know nothing about the military
It's been more than a decade, but you have to be updated on your vaccines before you ship off to basic and then you get a whole slew of crap before you deploy overseas (stuff that you'd never get in the regular world like anthrax).
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