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re: Friendly no smoking reminder: Starting in June, no smoking in bars and casinos
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:04 am to Roaad
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:04 am to Roaad
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everyone quit smoking today, state governments would go broke
Nooooo we just legalize weed. Then everyone starts smoking the good good
Tax revenue increase and sales tax from munchie snacks skyrocket
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:05 am to Restomod
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Makes you wonder where all the trashy people will now congregate...
Nah. I know where they'll be unless you're planning a murder/suicide.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:05 am to Roaad
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If everyone quit smoking today, state governments would go broke
No, but you as a non-smoker would start paying higher taxes to cover government spending that never goes away.
If it is such a horrible activity why is your government happy making money off of it?
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:07 am to Rouge
I wasn't saying I wouldn't discuss it. I was saying trying to discuss it is like talking to a brick wall because you don't care at all how it affects everyone else in the establishment. You think they should just avoid the establishment because of the smoking.. Whereas I think everybody should be able to go to whatever establishment they want without having to agree to inhaling cancer to obtain whatever that business is offering. Again, this is especially true in establishments that offer food. The tar gets everywhere over years of smoking in an establishment.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:09 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:08 am to weagle99
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Did you read that in a critical peer reviewed study or is it something you just heard as ‘common knowledge’?
I mean... it’s straight from the CDC. LINK
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What about the plastic fumes you are breathing in daily from your car’s ventilation system? Are these more or less harmful than a whiff of secondhand smoke?
I don’t give a frick about either? Second hand smoke and first hand smoke disproportionately affect those on our lowest rungs and could use a good dying off for the good of the rest of us.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:09 am to LSUsmartass
Good. I would hope all smokers die of a bad case of lung cancer .
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:12 am to Roaad
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is anyone being made to breathe in secondhand smoke?
For the record, I agree that if a private business owner wants to allow smoking they should be able to allow it. And no, no one is forcing me to go and breathe the air should I decide to. Again, I do not like government sanctions on things anymore than most of us do. The problem though, is it is harmful to breathe. So the question is should the danger of smoking to those who smoke and breathe the air trump the personal liberties of being able to smoke and where?
It is a complicated issue. I see both sides. But I err on the side of those who do not choose to smoke because of the byproduct of someone else's dumb decision. I am absolutely not for banning all smoking. That is for you to decide. But a public place (private bar or not) should be open for debate on whether or not there should smoking allowed.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:13 am to Hulkklogan
quote:you don't care how it affects the owners and regular patrons
because you don't care at all how it affects everyone else in the establishment.
frick the owner's botttom line, I want to go to this bar and not smell like smoke!
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:14 am to Hulkklogan
quote:so you don't think that a private business should be allowed the ability to make decisions based upon the best interest of that business?
Whereas I think everybody should be able to go to whatever establishment they want without having to agree to inhaling cancer to obtain whatever that business is offering.
The way that I look at it, this does not come down to you or I as patrons. It comes down to business ownership that puts their money down and their risk down in order to make these types of decisions. they take the monetary risk, and they should be able to make these types of decisions. They've earned it, in my opinion
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:16 am to Rouge
You need to relax. Go outside and take a drag. You’ll be slowly killing yourself but you’ll at least have the illusion of feeling better.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:17 am to GreatLakesTiger24
What? People don't go to bars just to smoke.. unless it is a smoke shop or cigar-specialty place, in which case they should have a special designation. I fail to see how banning indoor smoking affects an owners bottom line for the vast majority of bars. People will still go to bars.. they will just go outside to smoke. In fact, I'd say it's arguable that more people would go out and visit bars, potentially increasing the bottom line.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:17 am to beerJeep
Thanks for the link, but I don’t believe what the government tells me about most things, particularly when it comes from a study commissioned during the Obama years.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:18 am to LSUsmartass
I oppksed the measure on freedom grounds, but I’m not going to pretend I won’t enjoy not smelling like smoke at the end of the night.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:18 am to Rouge
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so you don't think that a private business should be allowed the ability to make decisions based upon the best interest of that business?
Private businesses are subject to a whole myriad of regulatory considerations that circumscribe their behavior, and they have been for a long time. This is just one more, and its passed legal scrutiny.
Its result also happens to be a positive that makes going out more pleasurable for everyone.
I don’t get why some libertarians choose this as a hill to die on.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:19 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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I want to go to this bar and not smell like smoke!
If there are enough people like you that feel this way a non-smoking bar will open to cater to your group. The market always works out if we just give it time.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:19 am to Rouge
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so you don't think that a private business should be allowed the ability to make decisions based upon the best interest of that business?
The way that I look at it, this does not come down to you or I as patrons. It comes down to business ownership that puts their money down and their risk down in order to make these types of decisions. they take the monetary risk, and they should be able to make these types of decisions. They've earned it, in my opinion
In most things, sure. When it comes to smoking? No. There's always going to be some issue to be fighting over. Where do we draw that line? I don't know. But imo, banning indoor smoking is a no-brainer.
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Private businesses are subject to a whole myriad of regulatory considerations that circumscribe their behavior, and they have been for a long time. This is just one more, and its passed legal scrutiny.
This.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:20 am to Hulkklogan
quote:you must not be very bright.
I fail to see how banning indoor smoking affects an owners bottom line for the vast majority of bars.
quote:you know better than the owners! You should open one yourself.
In fact, I'd say it's arguable that more people would go out and visit bars, potentially increasing the bottom line.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:20 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I would appreciate you developing this thought a little more. Thanks
Private businesses are subject to a whole myriad of regulatory considerations that circumscribe their behavior, and they have been for a long time. This is just one more, and its passed legal scrutiny.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:20 am to windshieldman
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You frickers that start coughing and choking on your boyfriend’s cum every time somebody lights up a cig are ridiculous.
What if that person is asthmatic? They aren't trying to make a scene, they're literally struggling to breathe
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:20 am to AbitaFan08
you sound like you smoke .....
pole.
pole.
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