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re: Frick everything about BR roads
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:13 am to ChunkyLover54
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:13 am to ChunkyLover54
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Another big problem is the lack of any planning or basic zoning.
This. Everything built so close to the road without any means for organization kills the ability to update, change or create new/expanded routes. The city is locked in to its design and will permanently be a cluster. There is almost no way to fix it without razing multiple area to the ground for better road design (before Katrina this probably could have been achieved through an alternate Interstate route+ shoring up some East/West Corridors like Airline, Burbank and Perkins.
But that population growth wrecked any chance of that happening. There are just too many people now.
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:24 pm to ChunkyLover54
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:17 pm to urinetrouble
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Tulsa - 44
Whom ever designed the road system in this city should be shot dead.
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:38 pm to c on z
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Explain this one.
Nicholson at W.Lee/Brightside is a BAD one that comes to mind but many others have been expanded in last decade.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:40 pm to WallsAllAroundMe
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I think the problem is the amount of planning with no follow through
Baton Rouge was planning to make Airline into a Bypass in 19 fricking 55. This pissed me off when I found this out.
You're right.
per wiki:
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In the original 1955 plan for urban Interstate Highways, numbered by 1959, the Baton Rouge bypass was designated Interstate 410; it would have connected to Interstate 10 on both ends (as I-10 would have used the US 190 corridor immediately west of Baton Rouge, still crossing the Atchafalaya Swamp in its present location). The route was cancelled by the end of the 1960s (and the number was later reused for another Interstate 410).
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:56 pm to MettShow69
Houma is mini BR with worse drivers.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:58 pm to Placebeaux
Baton Rouge and Houma are tied for the most pedophiles per capita.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:17 pm to MettShow69
It sucks. Getting into BR in the morning sucks. Traffic, starting around 3:30PM sucks. College drive is always a cluster frick between Perkins and the interstate. While its finally finished, Essen also sucks from Perkins to the interstate. If you catch Jefferson on the wrong day, what would normally take 10 mins to get to can turn into 30-40 mins. frick Airline.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:19 pm to WallsAllAroundMe
quote:it's hypocrisy everywhere you look. you have some posters complaining about lack of foresight, creativity, innovation, etc., and they're the same ones who jump into BR Loop threads, for example, and shite all over everything about it. the loop probably won't happen b/c of the lack of support from surrounding parishes, meanwhile it's the white flight commuters from the surround parishes clogging up the very interstate they're always bitching about.
Lack of planning? I think the problem is the amount of planning with no follow through. Or am I confusing studies with planning? It seems BR is always studying or planning or planning to have a study about plans to alleviate traffic. I can't count he number of times I have read about studies on the LSU lakes in the past few years alone. Commit to something and deal with it.
just a few days ago there was a thread about a diverging diamond interchange. it was explained that it's safer, cheaper, and more efficient than a typical interchange, and you still have more than half the comments being "dumb" and "typical government frick up" and "waste of money".
last week there was a BR street car thread that i wouldn't call a success either. again, the BR public who is crying out for foresight and innovation hates the idea of planning for the future water campus and developments along Nicholson while simultaneously taking more cars off the road.
they just want to complain.
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You can please some of the people all the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time.
yea...something like that.Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:20 pm to OweO
quote:Essen is nowhere near being finished. they haven't even begun the first bit of widening.
While its finally finished, Essen also sucks from Perkins to the interstate
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:31 pm to link
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Essen is nowhere near being finished. they haven't even begun the first bit of widening.
Yeah but they did finish the work that had been going on by the interstate..
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:55 pm to link
Hypocrisy about the loop? Not at all. It's just that some of us white flight commuters from surrounding parishes want to be justly compensated for our land when you decide it's time to take it for your loop. And what does that have to do with proper planning or innovation? It's not like loops are a new thing. And please defend the abysmal design or implementation of new road systems.
The lack of support from surrounding parishes is based on the politicians who can't agree on where it should go. Not your average tax payer. If you want to propose a street car line, do so but How bout proving it will take cars off the road and alleviate traffic, as opposed to being one more obstacle to drive around and another under utilized tax money waste. Most of these proposals don't actually fix anything. That's part of the rub.
The lack of support from surrounding parishes is based on the politicians who can't agree on where it should go. Not your average tax payer. If you want to propose a street car line, do so but How bout proving it will take cars off the road and alleviate traffic, as opposed to being one more obstacle to drive around and another under utilized tax money waste. Most of these proposals don't actually fix anything. That's part of the rub.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 6:46 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:your whole negative opinion about the loop is based on your assumption that you wouldn't be justly compensated for your land. why do you think that? this is yet another hypocrisy example: when people aren't posting about how "oh they just picked that route b/c the politicians own land right there", they're complaining that they won't be justly compensated. so which is it? do people make fists full of money from the state buying their land, or do they get the shaft? complainers just go off on whichever narrative fits at the moment.
It's just that some of us white flight commuters from surrounding parishes want to be justly compensated for our land when you decide it's time to take it for your loop.
quote:which new road systems? i likely don't know much about them, but i could try.
And please defend the abysmal design or implementation of new road systems.
quote:no, it's the average tax payer too.
The lack of support from surrounding parishes is based on the politicians who can't agree on where it should go. Not your average tax payer.
quote:i'm not proposing a streetcar and can't speak to how much, if any, traffic would actually be eliminated, but i like the foresight to plan for the future nicholson corridor.
If you want to propose a street car line, do so but How bout proving it will take cars off the road and alleviate traffic, as opposed to being one more obstacle to drive around and another under utilized tax money waste.
quote:ok
Most of these proposals don't actually fix anything.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 7:32 pm to BRgetthenet
Well I won't argue with you there.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:38 pm to link
Negative opinion about the loop? When have I criticized the loop itself? I haven't said shite about it. I'm all for one as long as the landowners who sponsor it are paid accordingly. I'd be happy just to see a bypass that takes interstate traffic around the city. But see how that goes when you propose it.
I've criticized an archaic road system and the addition of roads designed in the same manner. I don't believe I have made any comments about politicians reaping benefits from the loops route. I have pointed out that they can't agree on said route.
As for new roads, consider Kleinpeters development on 61 (the Farm, I think). Yet more traffic lights! Why don't they build overpasses for exits there and by Women's Hospital? Then traffic could flow freely while people could use the overpasses to exit off 61 to Pecue or Barringer, etc? Again, quit disrupting the traffic flow. Hell, use J Turns if nothing else.
My skepticism about your streetcar is that it presumes people will abandon their cars to ride it. We already have busses running there, but traffic still sucks. What makes you think they'll ride the street car? We love our cars! Quit trying to get us out of them and just make it easier for us to use them!
In the end Link, after 47 years of living in La, traveling the state and the southeast in general, I can tell you that I've yet to see this state do anything that instill confidence in their ability to do things. Yes, as a taxpayer I am skeptical and weary of them using my tax money for more ineptitude or boondoggles.
I've criticized an archaic road system and the addition of roads designed in the same manner. I don't believe I have made any comments about politicians reaping benefits from the loops route. I have pointed out that they can't agree on said route.
As for new roads, consider Kleinpeters development on 61 (the Farm, I think). Yet more traffic lights! Why don't they build overpasses for exits there and by Women's Hospital? Then traffic could flow freely while people could use the overpasses to exit off 61 to Pecue or Barringer, etc? Again, quit disrupting the traffic flow. Hell, use J Turns if nothing else.
My skepticism about your streetcar is that it presumes people will abandon their cars to ride it. We already have busses running there, but traffic still sucks. What makes you think they'll ride the street car? We love our cars! Quit trying to get us out of them and just make it easier for us to use them!
In the end Link, after 47 years of living in La, traveling the state and the southeast in general, I can tell you that I've yet to see this state do anything that instill confidence in their ability to do things. Yes, as a taxpayer I am skeptical and weary of them using my tax money for more ineptitude or boondoggles.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:45 pm to tigerinthebueche
People don't use busses because busses use the same traffic lanes as cars. They have to wait at stoplights, they get stuck in traffic jams. Light rail has its own right of way making them completely superior to busses.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:46 pm to tigerinthebueche
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It's just that some of us white flight commuters from surrounding parishes want to be justly compensated for our land when you decide it's time to take it for your loop.
If you didn't leave. We wouldn't need a loop. But y'all got scared of black people moving down the street and gave up.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:50 pm to kingbob
How effective is MARTA in Atlanta? Has it solved their grid lock problem? What about the light rail in downtown Houston? How bout the trains in Chicago?
I'm not asking to be a smart arse, I'm asking to see if that IN ADDITION to a better road system will work. I rode MARTA and I've ridden the L in Chicago. Liked both of them, but would still prefer my car. Just depends on the situation.
I'm not asking to be a smart arse, I'm asking to see if that IN ADDITION to a better road system will work. I rode MARTA and I've ridden the L in Chicago. Liked both of them, but would still prefer my car. Just depends on the situation.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:52 pm to MettShow69
Didn't Baton Rouge politicians vote against the bid for the loop proposal back in October? $800 million or so...most of it paid for by tolls.
Why did they not back that?
Why did they not back that?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:52 pm to Golfer
I criticize the loop not because it goes through my ancestral home (which it does), nor because the right of way is 4 times wider than need be for such a project so that politicians can steal the land (which it is), nor because of the multiple attempts by local government to rezone said land over the last few years so the landowners cannot develop it in an effort to make it cheaper to imminent domain (which they have only had mixed success at), I just think the stupid thing swoops too far to the south. There is no reason why the bridge should be in Addis, yet the loop goes all the way down to LA 22. You might as well connect it to the sunshine bridge at that point.
If the bridge is in addis or plaquamine (where it should be), the loop does not need to stretch much farther south than LA 42.
If the bridge is in addis or plaquamine (where it should be), the loop does not need to stretch much farther south than LA 42.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 8:56 pm
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