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re: Forbes - CEOs Will Be Clamping Down On Employees
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:14 pm to jdd48
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:14 pm to jdd48
quote:100%. I do fine working from home and prefer it. But if I had to admit it, our company culture and dynamic has almost gone to shite where as it used to be the best I’d ever worked at when we were all in the office.
can see both sides. I personally get just as much done from home. However, there is something lost IMO when the team works mostly from home and never meets face to face.
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:15 pm to A Smoke Break
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I cannot count how many times I've been able to explain a situation and solve it in minutes in person vs how it would take probably 30 minutes in teams to solve.
How? You can screen share, and/or share your camera. What can do you in person that you can't do via Teams?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:26 pm to Epic Cajun
You ever have a spontaneous conversation with someone in the office right after a meeting that leads to a better idea or plan or way of doing something? Or even just had a quick follow up with someone after a meeting adjourns that seals in your understanding?
That is harder and happens less frequently when you leave a teams meeting.
Have you ever been in a situation where a handful of people are in a room, and someone asks a colleague a question that they can't answer, but someone else in the room provides the necessary input without prompt?
The benefits of being together are so apparent if you've had enough experience with both environments.
FTR, I am WFH 99% of the time as is my team. We do well as we're in a business that works well that way. But I've seen the other side as well and can tell you the communication is better, the ability to learn how your colleagues think and work is better, and the connection you feel to your job and company is much stronger, which improves QOL, collaboration, and yes, in most cases, productivity.
Out of sight, out of mind is something that has become the moniker for client collaboration in the WFH world as well. It's real and something we've spent a lot of time trying to combat or correct.
That is harder and happens less frequently when you leave a teams meeting.
Have you ever been in a situation where a handful of people are in a room, and someone asks a colleague a question that they can't answer, but someone else in the room provides the necessary input without prompt?
The benefits of being together are so apparent if you've had enough experience with both environments.
FTR, I am WFH 99% of the time as is my team. We do well as we're in a business that works well that way. But I've seen the other side as well and can tell you the communication is better, the ability to learn how your colleagues think and work is better, and the connection you feel to your job and company is much stronger, which improves QOL, collaboration, and yes, in most cases, productivity.
Out of sight, out of mind is something that has become the moniker for client collaboration in the WFH world as well. It's real and something we've spent a lot of time trying to combat or correct.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:34 pm to GRTiger
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You ever have a spontaneous conversation with someone in the office right after a meeting that leads to a better idea or plan or way of doing something? Or even just had a quick follow up with someone after a meeting adjourns that seals in your understanding?
That is harder and happens less frequently when you leave a teams meeting.
Have you ever been in a situation where a handful of people are in a room, and someone asks a colleague a question that they can't answer, but someone else in the room provides the necessary input without prompt?
The benefits of being together are so apparent if you've had enough experience with both environments.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:35 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
WFH drives boomers absolutely nuts. I think a big part of their push to return to office is the inability for managers/executives to measure performance other than butt in seat. The company has a vested interest in paying the least amount of money possible to employees in exchange for the maximum amount of effort in completing their tasks/job. I think executives have a very hard time with the idea they may not be able to measure effort as well in WFH. But ultimately they have to realize you are paying the employee to do the task and they should measure based on performance, not amount of time it takes to perform.
If it takes me 4 hours to do a job that takes someone else 8, the company is pissed that they are paying me to mess around on youtube the rest of the day. I guess they think being in office they can pop their head in and check to make sure I am working. Jokes on them. I completed my work 4 hours early and I am watching youtube whether I am in office of WFH.
In this thread I see people saying I dont know what my employees are doing when they WFH. Who cares what they are doing if they are completing their tasks/job timely. We need to stop thinking of jobs as being paid for your time, but being paid for your ability to complete tasks/jobs.
If it takes me 4 hours to do a job that takes someone else 8, the company is pissed that they are paying me to mess around on youtube the rest of the day. I guess they think being in office they can pop their head in and check to make sure I am working. Jokes on them. I completed my work 4 hours early and I am watching youtube whether I am in office of WFH.
In this thread I see people saying I dont know what my employees are doing when they WFH. Who cares what they are doing if they are completing their tasks/job timely. We need to stop thinking of jobs as being paid for your time, but being paid for your ability to complete tasks/jobs.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:37 pm to GRTiger
I’m in a management role of multiple teams building out credits and incentives with teams that were much more compliance focused.
Before pandemic I wasn’t a manger but spent most of my time in the office discussing strategy with partners.
there is more distractions with teams meetings but I’m engaging enough that my team buys in and crushes it. You have to be a bit more intentional with calls when remote.
Before pandemic I wasn’t a manger but spent most of my time in the office discussing strategy with partners.
there is more distractions with teams meetings but I’m engaging enough that my team buys in and crushes it. You have to be a bit more intentional with calls when remote.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:38 pm to Rouge
Not now, chief. I'm in the zone.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:45 pm to BRbornandraised
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We need to stop thinking of jobs as being paid for your time, but being paid for your ability to complete tasks/jobs.
There are tons of jobs where being paid for your time is best for the employee and the client.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:most jobs aren't doing tasks in a silo/vacuum. you're being paid to be available to co-workers and management during business hours. purely anecdotally, i think a lot of lower level corporate employees don't realize this.
We need to stop thinking of jobs as being paid for your time, but being paid for your ability to complete tasks/jobs.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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There are tons of jobs where being paid for your time is best for the employee and the client.
I am trying to think of a job where time completing the task is more important than completing the task. I am not saying WFH works for everyone. In fact, I prefer a hybrid schedule. But if I am strictly hourly, I am trying to take as long as possible (without getting fired) to complete tasks. Because in the same way the company is going to try to pay me the least amount of money for maximum effort, I might as well give minimum effort for the most amount of money.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:51 pm to Bunk Moreland
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back in the office, soy boys.
That poor bastard. The origin of that pic is just an advertisement right?
He’s just a dude who modeled in a commercial?
Must suck to be a viral meme for all the wrong reasons.
That dude could become Steve McQueen (before you all pounce I know he ain’t gonna) and he’d still be the soy boy.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:52 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Exactly. Plus the mindset of "I am assigned tasks a, b and c so I'm going to complete tasks a, b and c as quickly as I can then I'm "logging off" is a really shite attitude imo.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:53 pm to BRbornandraised
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I am trying to think of a job where time completing the task is more important than completing the task.
You've never heard of people billing hours?
How do you think the VAST majority of lawyers and consultants get paid?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:55 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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most jobs aren't doing tasks in a silo/vacuum. you're being paid to be available to co-workers and management during business hours. purely anecdotally, i think a lot of lower level corporate employees don't realize this.
Inability to provide employees with proper tasks/goals/jobs for them to complete is a failure at the managerial level. If you want to pay people to essentially be on call and be available to give them tasks as they come up, so be it. But I can be on call from home.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:58 pm to VADawg
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Oh no, micromanagers are struggling to micromanage when they can't be hovering over everyone's shoulder all day. How will they ever survive?
Also, I still think these companies overpaid for commercial real estate space and having to justify it is what's really driving the push to bring people back into the office.
Absolutely. Middle managers struggling to justify their existence, so time to force everyone back into the office.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:59 pm to LSUminati
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Have they never seen the benefits of being in the same room as someone and talking through a problem which leads to more ideas and solutions?
I do this every day. It’s called a phone.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Plus the mindset of "I am assigned tasks a, b and c so I'm going to complete tasks a, b and c as quickly as I can then I'm "logging off" is a really shite attitude imo.
The other side of this is when you complete tasks a, b, and c and then tell the boss your tasks are done, you get tasked to do someone else's a, b, and c as well and are expected to work extra hours to get them done with no extra benefit. The person who gets twice as much done gets paid and treated the same as the person whose slack they had to pick up and eventually they get sick of it.
This kind of shite happens every single day in workplaces everywhere.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:02 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You've never heard of people billing hours?
How do you think the VAST majority of lawyers and consultants get paid?
But you are paying them to complete the task. Not to bill hours. If I hire an attorney at $100 an hour and he does what I hired him for in 2 days. Or I hire an attorney at $200 an hour and he does it in a day. Am I mad it took one longer than the other? As long as the task gets done and it doesnt cost me extra. Ultimately the job being completed to my satisfaction is how I would measure performance. Not how long they worked on it. WFH makes managers measure performance.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:03 pm to BRbornandraised
Here’s the bottom line. For some companies and employees, 100% WFH works great. For some companies and employees, 100% in office works great. But the expectation for at the least there being some flexibility in policy is out there, especially with younger workers. Companies are going to have to adapt or they’re going to lose good employees to competitors that are willing to adapt. I think the predominant model will be a hybrid where employees are expected in the office some, and allowed to WFH some.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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is a really shite attitude imo.
its a really shitty attitude.
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