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re: Forbes - CEOs Will Be Clamping Down On Employees
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:01 pm to TomJoadGhost
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:01 pm to TomJoadGhost
quote:To each his own, but I've never seen work as a means for human interaction.
but I primarily come into the office everyday because I value the human interaction I get here
I have my family and friends I do that with. Work is just the thing I do to make money, if we're being honest.
I work at a fully remote place now but before when I worked in an office, I never really made friends from work that I'd hang out with outside of work.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:02 pm to 777Tiger
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did they not know where the job was located when they took the position?
Yeah and I agree that's their problem. I just think a lot of them are reluctant to give back those 2 hrs per day again. We had a few employees quit when that particular dept went back to the office.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:05 pm to 777Tiger
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head of the hospital where my daughter works in Ft. Worth lives in the Philippines, they just got a company directive, no more wfh!!!
That dude;
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:09 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I find people who need "human interaction" in their jobs to be odd.
Fair point, but “need” isn’t a word I used. I value it, but wouldn’t say I need it. There is a difference.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:11 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Ah, c suite and middle management needs a justification to keeping an eye on their employees.
Regardless of the positive impacts WFH has gained: statistically speaking better performance and work output, price of gas and wear and tear on vehicles lowered, and surprisingly benefiting the environment by lowering carbon emissions.
Also the work force is happier because they gain extra time to their day devoted to commuting.
WFH doesn't really apply to all industry, but just forcing people to come back to work to justify your own position in the company seems short sighted.
Edit: Oh, and they need a justification to continue paying outrageous prices on wherever the home office is and that office space.
Regardless of the positive impacts WFH has gained: statistically speaking better performance and work output, price of gas and wear and tear on vehicles lowered, and surprisingly benefiting the environment by lowering carbon emissions.
Also the work force is happier because they gain extra time to their day devoted to commuting.
WFH doesn't really apply to all industry, but just forcing people to come back to work to justify your own position in the company seems short sighted.
Edit: Oh, and they need a justification to continue paying outrageous prices on wherever the home office is and that office space.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:11 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
who didnt see this coming?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:13 pm to tigerinthebueche
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que the "I'll never work in an office again"
All the fast food joints are still hiring. Will never have to go into an office again.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:15 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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said that younger employees are not benefiting from this work style.
Regardless of what the "exceptional" entry level OTers claim, this is absolutely true for the majority of young employees. Much like remote schooling retarded the progression of many students' education, young professionals who have only known remote work are not developing nearly as quickly or sufficiently as those before them who had a more traditional work experience.
Quietly offer flexibility or rare exceptions for the workers you know are solid in any environment, but otherwise tell those other employees to put real pants on and get back in the foxhole with their comrades. This is the way.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:15 pm to Pettifogger
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But the efficiency is lost when there are Teams meetings about meetings and everyone sits and watches someone draw dumb flow charts about absolutely nothing on virtual whiteboards.
Bro, I work mid-senior level in the public sector in IT and half of my day is this anyways.. regardless of WFH or in office.
In office, it's literally just in the conference room doing SCRUM meetings with the project managers/security/other departments until my eyes bleed.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:15 pm to LSUminati
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but you have to facilitate that 10% of the time where you pop into someone's office or vice versa.
99.9% of that 10% is bullshitting about the game, your kids, what you did over the weekend, etc.
In my experience that 10% is minimally important. There is something to be said for face to face collaboration but that can be done by bringing everyone together for a week every quarter or something like that.
Like I said my context is mostly IT here.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:18 pm to A Smoke Break
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Also the work force is happier because they gain extra time to their day devoted to commuting.
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A Smoke Break
Checks out
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:18 pm to GRTiger
This all goes much deeper for the larger employers
This strategy is being utilized to expedite the transfer of white collar jobs overseas.
If Karen and Keith can do this job 100% remote, why not pay Dimitri and Mai Lynn a fraction of the salary to do the same damn work overseas?
This strategy is being utilized to expedite the transfer of white collar jobs overseas.
If Karen and Keith can do this job 100% remote, why not pay Dimitri and Mai Lynn a fraction of the salary to do the same damn work overseas?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:19 pm to LSU316
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Like I said my context is mostly IT here.
Same. Outside of collectively putting together data for major projects, there's not a single reason for anyone outside of on site techs and hardware to be working from the office. Most of help desk is done remotely anyways from their desks in the office itself or when they work from home.
And my position/anyone else mid-senior does the majority of our work separate and we collaborate in teams 3 times a week to collectively put our data together. The only thing mandated return to office benefits is a justification for our IT manager to still have a job/enforce slas and ticket monitoring/keep a direct eye on what the help desk does.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:19 pm to shel311
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To each his own, but I've never seen work as a means for human interaction.
I have my family and friends I do that with. Work is just the thing I do to make money, if we're being honest.
I work at a fully remote place now but before when I worked in an office, I never really made friends from work that I'd hang out with outside of work.
It just depends on the person, my mom is retired and stays home all day, my dad is retired and he cant stay at home all day.
I dont like being at home all day, id rather go into the office. Plus the other places i would be going are by the office. The grocery store, the dentist, and the gym.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:20 pm to Rouge
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If Karen and Keith can do this job 100% remote, why not pay Dimitri and Mai Lynn a fraction of the salary to do the same damn work overseas?
My brother, who works from home, runs a team of Dimitri's.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:22 pm to BuckyCheese
TBH I prefer working in the office because it's easier to communicate issues in person vs teams, but that's just a personal preference.
I just think it's short sighted for most c suite to blanket retract WFH to justify their own positions within the company.
I just think it's short sighted for most c suite to blanket retract WFH to justify their own positions within the company.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:27 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:My point exactly.
My brother, who works from home, runs a team of Dimitri's.
One person with an American salary to oversee a group of people that might not make his salary combined.
Those used to be all domestic employment.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
These are the same people that have been screaming about it from the start.
From my view it’s still an employee market, especially talented employees.
From my view it’s still an employee market, especially talented employees.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Well they have this cool thing called Microsoft teams. It allows you to talk to people, you can even share a screen.
This isn’t hard if you’re not retarded you should be able to get up to reasonable speed.
I think some form of hybrid is the best. Anyone that screams come back in is dumb just like full remote has draw backs.
This isn’t hard if you’re not retarded you should be able to get up to reasonable speed.
I think some form of hybrid is the best. Anyone that screams come back in is dumb just like full remote has draw backs.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:36 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Well they have this cool thing called Microsoft teams. It allows you to talk to people, you can even share a screen.
Teams is absolute arse in certain situations where physically discussing something with a coworker is ideal.
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