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re: For those if you who have leased a car....

Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
4629 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:15 pm to
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I’ve never understood the business logic behind a leased vehicle. Tax write off? Shorter contract?


You can get better finance deals and such. Plus if you don't plan on keeping your car very long than why not?
Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
2778 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:19 pm to
Leased a couple cars in my life. Both were great leases with extremely workable close outs. There are good/bad leases but to make an ignorant statement that “if you lease, you don’t have $, is laughable. We just have always enjoyed changing cars.
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
3053 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:11 pm to
The only time I leased a vehicle was a 2008 Lexus GX470. Instead of turning the car in, I traded it in for another vehicle that I didn't lease. It worked out great for me because at the time, the GX held it's value extremely well, they still do. Dealer wanted to low ball me on the trade in, so I told him I would just keep it and sell it privately. He quickly changed his tune and offered what I thought was a fair value. Ended up having like $8000 in equity in the lease. Most cars won't hold their value like that one did, and I think Lexus may not let you sell a lease anymore because of this. I just paid off my wife's 2021 GX460 and it is still worth $40,000 plus. Just check the paperwork for the options you have at the end of the lease Most manufacturers won't let you lease past the factory warranty period, so most repairs would be just wear and tear. I never leased another vehicle after that one, I just like owning something after it's paid off.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
12626 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:30 pm to
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64% of Americans trade in their vehicles within 5 years. Leasing probably makes sense if you're going to do this.

Nah. The play there is buying 2-3 year old cars off lease. Leasing never makes good financial sense unless you’re really rich and want a brand new, latest model car every 2-3 years—And I’m talking expensive cars, not Toyotas. and that only makes sense as the outsized expense is irrelevant to that person.

Let’s face it, the vast majority of Americans don’t deserve the luxury of a new car. It’s a dumb frivolous expense and why so many people live paycheck to paycheck.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted by goat365
Texas
Member since Sep 2007
49 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:38 pm to
Read the contract...understand the terms...abide by the terms, and there are no surprises.

You have either met the terms of the contract (stayed under the miles you included in your lease, maintained the vehicle as the contract outlines) or you haven't.

So any big hassles are usually people trying to fight the dealer on charges that are outlined in the contract that are rightfully owed...so what is your definition of "fair"?

In the event of an accident, the vehicle has a value and a required repair cost. The insurance company will pay the same on the claim for both bought or leased vehicles. Leases usually come with gap insurance included.

Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39578 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:38 pm to
When an item appreciates beyond the buyout you can absolutely lease and do well, and I am as anti-lease as you can get.
Honestly, typically pay cash (cry once).

You have to be aware that things change and be willing to set aside old thoughts.
(Hard for me to do, tbh)

But your point is valid, as a routine thing you aren't building wealth always having a car note, lease or otherwise.
Posted by goat365
Texas
Member since Sep 2007
49 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:49 pm to
I am going to ask you to consider this situation:

16 year old daughter had $6K saved for her car. (10 years ago)

She could purchase a 10 year old used vehicle for $6K with unknown history and almost guaranteed maintenance costs and probably a set of tires before she got out of high school.

Or

I could lease a brand new, under warranty, Chevy Equinox for $0/down, $150/mo.

What makes the most financial sense for someone with a fixed income where every dollar matters?

This was a real situation...she made the $150/mo payment and knew EXACTLY what her car was going to cost her every month, and it eliminated any risk that I had to cover any maintenance that she could not afford.

Every situation is different, but in this case, a new Chevy Equinox made more financial sense than a 10 year old VW Passat.
Posted by goat365
Texas
Member since Sep 2007
49 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:51 pm to
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Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
1463 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:57 pm to
My wife leased a car before we got married. Basically she paid around 18k over 3 years for a car that would have been 23k brand new. She paid all of that into the car with nothing to show for it. Made me realize that leasing is incredibly pointless unless you just want to trade out cars every few years.

To each his own but the leasing model makes no sense.
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26516 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:02 pm to
I leased a few….best were Toyotas….leased a Tacoma…300 a month….lease was up traded with equity to lease a tundra for 400 a month…not a year into the lease, covid happened, they offered 12k over the payoff, I leased a wrangler 4xe with the 12k….value on that tanked to less than the residual and I was over miles….quit leasing after that
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
27572 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:12 pm to
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If you cant pay cash you cant afford it
The famous saying by wealthier folk who laugh at people for paying $3,000 in interest over the length of a car loan.

In my 20s, I didnt have $30,000 cash laying around, but chose to finance a new car. Was previously driving a car with 250,000 miles that needed constant maintenance. I was making like 70k a year at the time.
I preferred buying a new car rather than buying a $5,000 beater and then having to buy a new car once I got $30,000 in cash in the bank.

So that $5,000 beater would have been worth maybe $2,500 after 3 years, so why not pay the interest over life of loan on new car rather than buying a depreciating asset that tanks in value that would have had potential maintenance costs on top of that. You’re splitting hairs on total savings to finance a car vs buying a beater when you don’t have the cash to pay for the new car.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 4:14 pm
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7371 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:46 pm to
The OP didnt need a lecture on leasing, he asked a simple question. OP, I leased last 3 cars, I traded in the last 2 as I could trade in early. The last one was Sept 22, the vehicle was worth 5k more than the remaining payments and residual. Never had an issue moving on to next car.

As for leasing, it is nice. Lower monthly payment instead of dumping a ton of money into a car, use it 3 yrs, all service paid for, and move on to next one. Invest the 60k or whatever it is, pay a few hundred a month and enjoy the car. Plant workers will call it stupid but who cares.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1491 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 5:05 pm to
If you have a wreck, insurance fixes the car and you continue on like normal. If totaled, insurance pays off the lease balance, you won't be upside down on an ES350.

The residual valueof the vehicle is set in stone at the lease inception (56% x MSRP), you decide whether to buy or not at lease end. A lease is just a deferred purchase option. Your ES will be worth more than the purchase price most likely.

However, your lease PAYMENT is based on the price of the car minus residual value (above) NOT the MSRP (divided by 36 plus the application of the money factor) which should be negotiated separately from how you pay for the car (cash, lease, finance). Push the price as low as possible to get the best deal, don't let how you pay affect the price you pay. Good luck!
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 5:10 pm
Posted by PalletJack
LA by birth, TX by choice
Member since Oct 2024
1066 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:35 pm to
It is determined by a cost-per-mile calculation, not every situation is the same. Sometimes leasing can make sense for a situation. If you cannot compute your cost per mile then you will never know what to do. A car can be a rapidly depreciating asset or not, lots of factors affect an individual's effect on the long-term value. Driving is an expense and should be managed in the cost/benefit manner.

3 year lease with all in costs for maintenance, insurance, and repairs - repeated 3 times. Fairly simple to do this. Mileage limits eliminate most folks immediately. Know your risk factors and do some worst-case scenario calculations too.

versus

Nine years of owning the car, which is either purchased in cash or via financing. Then use your best judgment to predict costs for repaiirs and maintenance. Figure out your insurance plan for coverage during the life of the asset and costs associated with the plan. Lots of guessing required but if a person has some ownership experience and a predictable pattern it can be pretty accurate. Disposal via sale adds a few bucks back to this cost calculation.

The resulting cost per mile comparison may be surprising to some.
Posted by jiffyjohnson
1226 miles from Death Valley
Member since Nov 2011
5800 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:38 pm to
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It means holding on to car a little longer and let that money work for you


im with you but sometimes circumstances force people into financial decisions. necessity is a factor in auto sales.

quote:

Like little soldiers fighting for you everyday.

frickin love this big dog
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173588 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:41 pm to
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When people have negative equity in a vehicle they bought and can't afford, sometime they will use leases as a stop gap to recoup what they lost. For others, its a way to drive more than what they can responsibly afford. For others, they have the money to throw away so it's easier to just lease a new car every 36 months.

Depends on your driving situation

For some people it makes more sense to lease

The depreciation hit you would take in 36 months is substantial
Posted by BayouBengalRubicon
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2019
534 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:53 am to
People talk crap about leasing because they don't understand it and can't do the math.

A lease is negotiable like any other car deal. If you have a decent residual and get the price down, then you have a low payment with built in equity to trade in. I've leased multiple vehicles for my wife and kept her in new vehicles with zero maintenance. I always came out ahead trading them in as well because the Acuras/Lexus always hold their value so well . A lease done properly comes out much better than buying and trading in every 4 - 5 years because your monthly note is much cheaper.

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