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Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:38 am to tigergirl10
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This infuriates me. I’m close to quite a few priests. They are all inspiring, upstanding, amazing men.
That explains why you pretend to be a girl on the internet
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:50 am to HogBalls
quote:I think you already missed the message, baw. You think Jesus told those babies to hang back further in the bush?
Everyone else is trying to hear the message!
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:13 am to HogBalls
This whole board is so soft lately. Yes, Jesus said for the little children to come to him. This is more of a moral obligation and does not give parents carte blanche to allow kids to act like animals in church.
We had the two most obnoxious children behind us on a few weeks ago. The kids looked to be about 3 and 5, and the parents brought SO many toys, allowed them to play with the hymnal, SO much paper shuffling, etc.
I had every positive thought in my head for this couple. Trying to just be happy they are bringing their kids to worship and not be all judgy. But really, it was the most obnoxious experience and so incredibly rude on the part of the parents. We had three teenagers with us who really NEED to hear the word of God. As soon as we walked to the car, all they could talk about was how bad those kids were and how their parents didn't take them out.
Why do we give parents a pass on this? Why do the kids get to have their own personal fun time and ruin it for everyone else? You literally couldn't hear the priest.
ETA: I'm writing this from the perspective of a Catholic Mass. This is a very calm event, and you can often hear a pin drop in the church. At a church like The Healing Place, for example, this behavior probably wouldn't be noticeable at all.
We had the two most obnoxious children behind us on a few weeks ago. The kids looked to be about 3 and 5, and the parents brought SO many toys, allowed them to play with the hymnal, SO much paper shuffling, etc.
I had every positive thought in my head for this couple. Trying to just be happy they are bringing their kids to worship and not be all judgy. But really, it was the most obnoxious experience and so incredibly rude on the part of the parents. We had three teenagers with us who really NEED to hear the word of God. As soon as we walked to the car, all they could talk about was how bad those kids were and how their parents didn't take them out.
Why do we give parents a pass on this? Why do the kids get to have their own personal fun time and ruin it for everyone else? You literally couldn't hear the priest.
ETA: I'm writing this from the perspective of a Catholic Mass. This is a very calm event, and you can often hear a pin drop in the church. At a church like The Healing Place, for example, this behavior probably wouldn't be noticeable at all.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:18 am to HouseMom
Does Jesus post here? Maybe he can weigh in. He hasn't replied to my DMs in a long time, though.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:24 am to concrete_tiger
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Does Jesus post here? Maybe he can weigh in.
Well, the Bible is full of guidance for having discipline and self-control of our bodies. So maybe start there.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:27 am to HogBalls
Sounds like you need Jesus
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:37 am to HogBalls
I get your point bro, but I have never been to a church where everyone is trying to hear the message yet so you kind of lost there. Nor have I ever heard a sermon where the message or point wasn’t repeated at least 3 times.
Be honest, you are cranky old man. It’s ok, so am I
Be honest, you are cranky old man. It’s ok, so am I
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:41 am to HouseMom
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We had three teenagers with us who really NEED to hear the word of God
quote:Yes, they do
all they could talk about was how bad those kids were and how their parents didn't take them out.
Being a Catholic, I can say, that a Catholic judging another family on their behavior in mass is the most Catholic thing imaginable
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:47 am to HogBalls
I recall when cry rooms were common at church for noisy kids.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:49 am to HogBalls
You just went on a church rant and then compared innocent kids to devils lmao i love bible bangers
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:54 am to WildManGoose
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Yes, they do Being a Catholic, I can say, that a Catholic judging another family on their behavior in mass is the most Catholic thing imaginable
I completely get your point, and it's why I hesitated to even type it - you know, Catholic guilt - but it seems to be a real problem lately. And my husband and I didn't participate in the conversation. We just gave really neutral parental statements like, "Just make sure you pray for the parents because it's really hard to keep young ones quiet for a long time."
But honestly, it really bothers me. Maybe it's because we were so conscientious to take our kids out of the congregation if they started to act up.
And also, the Catholic schools don't put up with that one bit. As soon as the kids are in pre-k, they are assigned a 1-1 middle school buddy to make sure they know how to behave. They aren't given toys and snacks or allowed to crawl all over the place. Is the school being "judgy" by not allowing them to live their best lives in Mass?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:57 am to HogBalls
Gotta agree. Keep all kids out of church and break the cycle of indoctrination.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:02 am to HogBalls
as a preacher's kid: frick off
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:16 am to HouseMom
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Well, the Bible is full of guidance for having discipline and self-control of our bodies.
While this is true, applying those principles to five year olds is not only silly, it's deranged.
Children do what you teach them to do. If you let.your children play in church they will expect it. If you take them out and let them play in the nursery they will expect it. While I was more extreme, there's nothing that stops you with beginning to train kids to sit in church by one.
Still, as a Christian, you should be able to handle small or continuous disruprions without losing it. People need to be in church. If they aren't acting right, someone in grace and love should pray about it and then encourage them in a correct direction
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:17 am to HouseMom
quote:No, I don't think they are, but that's also mid-week mass that is tied to overall school behavior. Sort of like how I let my kids shoot nerf guns at each other in the back yard, but I understand that their school wouldn't allow that at recess.
Is the school being "judgy" by not allowing them to live their best lives in Mass?
To be clear, I don't think parents should let their kids be disruptive during mass. At the same time, I don't think God cares and I don't think he would want me judging those folks either.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:27 am to squid_hunt
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While I was more extreme, there's nothing that stops you with beginning to train kids to sit in church by one. Still, as a Christian, you should be able to handle small or continuous disruptions without losing it. People need to be in church. If they aren't acting right, someone in grace and love should pray about it and then encourage them in a correct direction
We were this way, and it made our lives much easier. But there were definitely many times our kids just couldn't hold it together and we walked them outside.
And I'm extremely sympathetic to parents with crying babies or cranky toddlers. Most of us have been there. Getting packed up to go to church can be an exhausting and frustrating experience, and it's often embarrassing when they act like they've never been in public. BUT...parents absolutely need to address behavior with older children.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:35 am to HouseMom
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Why do we give parents a pass on this?
Because the kids were 3 and 5. At my church, they purposely did not build a quiet room. There is a vestibule out back that some parents take their kids too, but as multiple priests have said, the kids are SUPPOSED to be in church. And that the adults and the old people need to show a little compassion to the new parents because "you were there too at one point".
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Why do the kids get to have their own personal fun time and ruin it for everyone else?
You really don't get church, do you? I'm a relatively recent Catholic convert, and something i never understood is why so many cradle Catholics insist on church being equitable to a funeral in terms of demeanor. I never see so many sour faces as i do when i go to mass, and i don't get it. You can be reverential and joyous at the same time. That's what singing in church is about. Joy and praise of our Lord. My kids are 4 and 7 now, so they are pretty good in church, but you better well believe that we brought snacks, and books and toys (as long as they were quiet ones) to keep the kids entertained. Parents also, would like to get something out of mass. Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:43 am to HouseMom
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BUT...parents absolutely need to address behavior with older children.
You clearly don't remember having a 2-3 year old. It's quite possibly the worst age for young boys.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 11:03 am to BugAC
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You clearly don't remember having a 2-3 year old. It's quite possibly the worst age for young boys.
This is a cop out. While young children are difficult to manage in church, it's not impossible. You have to work on it. Letting them do what they want is the other side of this argument. It's selfish and self centered and distracts people from hearing the message.
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