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re: Flood insurance doesn't cover back water flooding?

Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:26 pm to
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humor me




you have homeowners policy with asi

file a claim

ASI assigns adjuster makes report based on his interpretation of said policy

still sent back to ASI

agent files complaint to ASI

ASI can make changes as needed to adjusters report and claim as needed.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

As to my original point, modern home insurance didn't exist until 1950, so you tell me why everyone has to have it now.


You are obfuscating. The Homeowner's policy (the package of liability and multiple peril property insurance) is from the 20th century, but there were home fire insurance policies written hundreds of years before that.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46605 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:28 pm to
Yes they do, but agents are kidding themselves if they think they have any say in a claim. Yes sometimes it is beneficial to a company to keep an agents business and pay on a claim they shouldnt, but that is rare.

Tell me this, who decides of something is compensable, covered, within policy period, covered parties/properties, etc.?
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11909 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:29 pm to
No, but how about don't shite on an industry that you know little about?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
179859 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:31 pm to
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but agents are kidding themselves if they think they have any say in a claim. Yes sometimes it is beneficial to a company to keep an agents business and pay on a claim they shouldnt, but that is rare.

Tell me this, who decides of something is compensable, covered, within policy period, covered parties/properties, etc.?



Dude, i get what you are saying. yes, i'm not supposed to confirm or deny anything when it comes to claims, yes we submit and its the companies responsibility to handle. That doesn't mean i don't have an obligation to interpret policies and know what i'm selling. you have a very wishful thinking mindset when you are assuming underwriters and adjusters are more skilled in the craft of knowing insurance policies though, they really aren't on hook for anything. agents are on the hook. also, this has nothing to do with the OP hearing second hand from some dumb broad who possibly has a job within an insurance agency answering phone calls and inputting data in a computer system.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43037 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:33 pm to
No not accurate.
Posted by Canard Noir
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:33 pm to
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The point being there will be difficulties working to "get whole" again. Don't kid yourself and think it'll be easy. That's naive as shite or you are in insurance.


I'm not in insurance and I didn't say it was going to be easy, I said it was different. I had both a Homeowner's Claim and a Flood Claim after Katrina so some of this is still somewhat fresh in my head. My Flood Claim was processed months before my Homeowners. For Flood, the adjuster and sets "tiers" for the overall cost of the items in your home. The NFIP sets the payout based on those tiers, square footage, and the details of your coverage so it gets done faster and there's less bickering about comps for the work and such. Insurance companies have zero interest in adjusters "fighting" you for every nickel and dime and the adjusters have incentive to err on your side within the law. So, I'll say it again, if you had proper coverage, this is going to be much easier than any Homeowners claim. Got it?
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:35 pm to
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but it's far less flawed than what you're saying. Humans have always needed shelter. Only recently have we had insurance for it.


quote:

We could all live in shacks and caves, couldn't we? I don't want to, but I could, which means what. Why do we live in such luxury? Because we are greedy.


lol... Nevermind.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:35 pm to
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No, but how about don't shite on an industry that you know little about?



So if I am an expert on claims, it's ok for me to shite on the industry then? Ok cool. Frick insurance.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11909 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:40 pm to
You're an expert in an industry that you hate?

Yes, frick insurance until you bitch and moan about not having it for a loss.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43037 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:48 pm to
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But why are insurance companies necessary?


If you own your own home you don't have to buy flood insurance or homeowners insurance.

Now if you borrow money for a home, the mortgage company is going to want to protect their investment so they require you to have the insurance, but that's their business not yours.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
59443 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:50 pm to
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Well the actual adjusters have a financial incentive to give you as much of a claim as possible with regards to flood, so this would be unlikely to come from the adjuster.


What?
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11435 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:53 pm to
Flood is flood. The only exclusion is when your house floods and nothing else around you floods. It has to flood 2 or more properties or cover an acre of land I believe.

Back water, tidal, alluvial or rain inundation its all the same.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:54 pm to
Flood, as used in this flood insurance policy, means:
1. A general and temporary condition of partial or complete
inundation of two or more acres of normally dry land area
or of two or more properties (one of which is your
property) from:
a. Overflow of inland or tidal waters,
b. Unusual and rapid accumulation or runoff of surface
waters from any source,
c. Mudflow.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6844 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:58 pm to
Of course it's different damnit. No one is saying it's not. I responded with my example because someone said something about insurance horror stories and MY family lived through one. It's not going to be easy and it will not be "getting whole" again for many. For a few, unless they have the knowledge and are able to devote the time necessary to work to get the proper compensation, it will be an insurance nightmare story. Many of them just get tired and overwhelmed and simply give up and take what is being offered.
Got it?
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:00 pm to
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That's what I was told. Is that accurate?


But back to the OP, no.

Or rather, it depends on what you mean, which I don't exactly understand.

Do you mean the bayous running backwards and coming up your storm drains to flood your street and then your house? Yes, that's covered by Flood Insurance.

Do you mean your toilets and showers filling up with water and crap and flooding you house that way?

Depends...

If that is accompanied by rising water all around your house, most likely, yes that's covered by Flood Insurance. Because the proximate cause was rising water (from the flood).

If that is occurring in isolation (there is no rising water around your home) then it is not going to be covered by Flood. That is what Backup of Sewers or Drains Coverage is for. If it is a clear blue day and your drains backup into your house and your policy has zero Backup of Sewers or Drains Coverage, you are effed. Also, such coverage is normally sublimited, you you can hit the sublimit and be capped at way less that the damage really was.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43037 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:03 pm to
Backwater flooding got into a house I owned in 1983. I had flood insurance. The insurance company paid me with no issues. I did a lot of the work myself and pocketed a nice portion of the settlement. I was more than happy.

I've had homeowner's claims too for tree damage in hurricanes, wind damage from a tornado, and a claim for hail damage to my roof.

Each and every time I've been happy in my dealings with the adjusters and the insurance company. Maybe not initially, but once they had a chance to get their feet on the ground, I didn't have any problems.

Heck one adjuster watching me fix my fence posts that had blown over asked me how much was EZ Crete and how long I'd been working on it and paid me 20 bucks an hour for my time. I didn't even know my fence was covered.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
69234 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:05 pm to
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Yes, frick insurance until you bitch and moan about not having it for a loss.


Or when your claim is denied for spurious reasons.
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