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re: Fear Of Flying Subreddit - What's the OT's position?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:01 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:01 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Has there ever been a reputable study in the above questions (man-hours spent on the road vs in the air)? Genuinely curious.
Yes, and commercial flying is far and away the safest form of travel.
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Flying
In 2022, the fatality rate for air travel was 0.003 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. LINK
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The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) reports that the odds of dying in a plane crash are one in 11 million.
Commercial airlines are heavily regulated and have strict standards for maintenance, inspection, and pilot training.
Driving
In 2022, the fatality rate for people traveling by car and truck in the US was 0.57 deaths per 100 million miles traveled.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reported that in 2022, about 42,795 people died in car crashes in the United States.
Driving risks increase during the holiday season due to heavier traffic, bad weather, and driver fatigue.
The fear is not logical, but rather emotional as when something goes wrong and a plane crashes it’s usually catastrophic with dozens, if not over 100 casualties.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:02 am to The Third Leg
I think the only thing I get a little nervous about is who is going to be seated next to me on the flight.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:02 am to LemmyLives
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know there is virtually zero chance of me dying in the air
My discomfort with it is the total lack of control or situational awareness. I'm not really worried about crashing or dying. I don't like not knowing where I am or what is going on. If I could ride in the cockpit or even if I could see some instrumentation I'd be 100% cool with it.
That's of course ruling out my main problem with it- living like livestock at the stockyard.
Eta: and the people. Why do obviously incapable people sit in exit seats? I'm going to have to trust this fat 50 year old woman in an emergency to both open the door and get the f outta the way before I can get off? Not to mention the rest of these brain dead fat buffoons?
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:03 am to Oilfieldbiology
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The fear is not logical, but rather emotional as when something goes wrong and a plane crashes it’s usually catastrophic with dozens, if not over 100 casualties.
The fear is 100% logical—it stems from the complete and total loss of control in a situation where you are defying the forces of nature.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:05 am to Jack Daniel
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You would have zero issues flying in the Middle East?? That’s where I would have my biggest concern
Had a neighbor that flew for the Saudi royal family. He said the place he felt most unsafe while flying was Africa. Apparently ATC is damn near non existent.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:05 am to holdmuh keystonelite
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Something about being in control for me and being on the ground makes driving fine even knowing there is a greater risk.
Neither of what I'm about to say should make you feel better or worse in the long run. Planes are designed and maintained to the point that every conceivable issue that could arise is generally caught ahead of time or has redundancies to avoid catastrophic failures, although human error is almost aways the culprit in crashes. The MAX plane crashes were design flaws and got figured out immediately. US pilots are among the best in the world at flying, regardless of airline. You would be shocked to know how many near misses occur on a daily basis, due to how much traffic there is in the air near certain airspaces. ATC carries a huge responsibility in maintaining safe skies and they do a pretty good job at it. There are checklists for pilots to make sure everything is ready to go preflight. Your car will tell you your tires and gas are low, and that's about it.
Driving a car, everyone feels like they're the best on the road. There is an exponential amount of drivers on the road vs. planes in the air. You do not need confirmed training hours to get in a car. You don't even need a fully functioning car to get on the road. There is less accountability on people who drive on the road.
I think at the end of the day, most passengers carry a weird sense of no control when someone is taking them places in a flying metal tube several hundred miles per hour to a destination without realizing how much is actually going on in the cockpit, outside of the plane, and everything that leads up to it. I am a bit of a control freak on some things, but I do take solace in the fact that when I fly, it's generally bigger planes, flown by generally more experienced and tenured pilots with bigger crews. I'll do anything I can to fly in a 737 or bigger if I have to.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:05 am to Oilfieldbiology
Cool, will go look for one later.
Not going to solve my problems with it though. I hate flying commercial.
Not going to solve my problems with it though. I hate flying commercial.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:06 am to The Third Leg
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The fear is 100% logical—it stems from the complete and total loss of control in a situation where you are defying the forces of nature.
That’s where my fear stems from. I hate not being in control. The only sense of control I can get is sitting at the window.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:06 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I don't like not knowing where I am or what is going on. If I could ride in the cockpit or even if I could see some instrumentation I'd be 100% cool with it.
It makes a *huge* difference if you have a flight map like the A380 has, with near real time updates on altitude (oh, that was only a drop of four feet, all cool!). American (UA, AA, DL) pilots will also tend to warn you, "We're going to have 17 minutes of rough air leaving Denver." Foreign pilots/airlines just don't GAF. It makes a difference to me.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:06 am to Lonnie Utah
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Happening twice
Had a coworker in Alaska that was maybe 40 years old and had been in 3 plane crashes. Nothing major. I had another coworker that was in a mishap 3 years ago when they landed in the back country and the sand along the channel was a little rougher than they expected (the plane tipped over). The same coworker was charged by a brown bear the year before. He said he would take 50 plane crashes to being charged by a bear anytime.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:09 am to The Third Leg
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The fear is 100% logical—it stems from the complete and total loss of control in a situation where you are defying the forces of nature.
No, it’s an illogical fear of lacking control, when if you look at driving you are in far less control than you envision.
How much control do you have over other drivers? Yes, I understand the feeling of control while driving in the sense that you can react and respond, but don’t act like you are in that much more control over safety.
Now, if you’re arguing convenience for a flight that’s less than a 5 hour drive? I’m in 1,000% agreement
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:12 am to metallica81788
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OP seems to be afraid of a lot of things by posting history
Just letting you know, it's a very weird thing to go through someone's post history.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:13 am to Oilfieldbiology
You’re not thinking about this properly. In one scenario, you have zero control over what happens as you soar like a bird at 500mph thousands of feet above earth.
In another, you are in control to a high degree, how much is debatable, and you do not defy gravity.
I don’t have issues with the loss of control, but it is easy to see why many do.
In another, you are in control to a high degree, how much is debatable, and you do not defy gravity.
I don’t have issues with the loss of control, but it is easy to see why many do.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:14 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:14 am to holdmuh keystonelite
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Something about being in control for me and being on the ground makes driving fine even knowing there is a greater risk.
YOU being in control is what creates that greater risk.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:14 am to Odysseus32
Flying over the Gulf of America on Saturday from Houston to Key West. Don't know if I'm scared or not. Just know I will be moving at 500 plus mph.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:19 am to aTmTexas Dillo
I’m def afraid of flying. Every little bump gets me anxious. Ativan helps.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:22 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I would get on a plane this morning if I knew I was going to a cool place.
Yeah, I am not trying to be a dick but after an incident I feel much safer getting on board as statistically my odds of a negative incident just dropped.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:24 am to Odysseus32
I have had a pilots license since 1992. I have flown in all manners of airplanes and flown 20 types up to twin pistons.
As it pertains to airline travel, it's safe but less safe as dei has made it's way into ATC and into pilot selection. That tied in with the overall airport experience, I drive when remotely possible though have no issue with riding on 737s and all that comes with them.
As it pertains to General Aviation, be very careful of old planes, older than 1985 and be weary of low hour pilots or those who do not fly weekly.
I have had every manner of crazy things to deal with as both the PIC and a passenger in small aircraft
As it pertains to airline travel, it's safe but less safe as dei has made it's way into ATC and into pilot selection. That tied in with the overall airport experience, I drive when remotely possible though have no issue with riding on 737s and all that comes with them.
As it pertains to General Aviation, be very careful of old planes, older than 1985 and be weary of low hour pilots or those who do not fly weekly.
I have had every manner of crazy things to deal with as both the PIC and a passenger in small aircraft
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:25 am to terriblegreen
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When it's your day to go, it's your day.
I understand, but what if it's that mother fricker sitting next to me time to go?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:25 am to Odysseus32
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Everytime there's a crash anywhere in the world people on the subreddit start to spiral.
Those aren’t real people
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