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Bigbee Hills
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
If you want to read some more about the subject of "tough SOB's" then read about the Original Surveyors that came in and surveyed the newly ceded land from the Native Americans to the federal government and what they went through and how they used crude instruments (such as surveying chains, rods, and compasses) to lay out the public land survey system that we still use to this day.

Land surveying, especially boundary and construction surveying, was and still is one of the toughest, grittiest, physically demanding and, dare I say, alpha male professions there is, but those guys who entered into the American wildernesses and who were charged with surveying it were a cut above the rest, and their responsibilities were pivotal to the development of the country: Their duty was to lay out "what is where," but they were also charged with sending their meticulously taken field notes (their notes also acted as their "diary" of sorts) back to Washington DC so that the government and wealthy land purchasers could know how to price the land and get the best of the best for whatever desired purpose they had for the land (e.g., if you bought 4 townships of land 2000 miles away in Wyoming for the purpose of logging it only to find out it was a barren, upland desert then much time and effort and money would've been wasted).

What's even more cool is that if you know how, somewhere in your courthouse the original field notes and plats (or at least a copy of them) from the original surveyor should still be available. Louisiana may be different since they've a bit different history and legal system, but for the remainder of most of the rest of the country, you can get access to those notes and original plats.

Another neat thing about the original surveyors and their field notes is that botanists, biologists, naturalists, etc. utilize the original field notes: Largely ignored for decades, they realized (seemingly all at once) that if they wanted a first-hand account of what the untouched native flora and fauna used to be like, look like, and consist of, then the notes of the original surveyors were arguably the best, most underrated places to find it. It was the OS's job to report back on those details with words and maps while at fireside after a long day of designating townships & sections from one another in the untouched American wilderness. Then and now, he had to be part mathematician, part biologist, part botanists, part dendrologist, archeologist, and more in order to be competent in his profession, but mainly and mostly he had to be a surveyor of the the American frontier country, and he was nothing if not an explorer with a very important, very specific, very scientific and economic purpose.

It's a neat history lesson of some of the most underrated, toughest SOB's to have ever of lived, and if you're on PLSS land that was laid out after cessation, then chances are one of those tough SOB's came through where you are sitting and reading this, many many moons ago.


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LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West - Stephen Ambrose,

Another good one.


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prplhze2000
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
That's why Cook is remembered as he is. Figured out fruits beat back scurvy.


Boomdaddy65201
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West - Stephen Ambrose,

Great read! Living in Mo. we have Lewis & Clark historical markers everywhere. People don’t realize they pulled those keel boats up the Missouri it’s not like they sailed up the river against the current. They left STL. at the beginning of March & didn’t reach Independence, Mo.(outside KC) until the 4th of July hence it’s name of course there was nothing there but a good portage.


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MBclass83
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
Bookmarked for reading material


LeroyBrown
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
The is a show on tv called Alone, where they drop off 10 supposed survivalist 10 miles or so apart from each other with limited supplies. The one wwho makes it the longest gets $500k. It's funny how quickly people start tapping out.


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Celery
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
Basically all of human history apart from the last 100 years were just an effort to survive. Only the toughest survived, even they usually died by 50 with no teeth.


High C
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
Magellan’s circumnavigation, five ships with around 270 sailors left Spain. One ship, with 18 survivors, returned three years later. Magellan himself was killed in the Philippines by natives in an effort to convert them to Christianity.


athenslife101
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
I. Need to find a couple of really good books about the 1500s explorers. The books I’ve found always focus on the America’s. But I really think the stuff that was happening in Asia is more my jam. Like the Portuguese transporting samurai across Asia as mercenaries and stuff.
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jeffsdad
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
They were tough indeed, but needlessly stupid also. It was considered "bad luck" for a sailor to know how to swim in many European countries.


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Willie Stroker
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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They were tough indeed, but needlessly stupid also.

This is why I think today's explorers are tougher. They are not needlessly stupid. Proof? They live longer. Except for the ones that don't. Just like the explorers of the past.


High C
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
1609-1610 the starving time in Jamestown. Around 500 colonists began the winter, only around 60 survived. There is scientific evidence that the settlers resorted to cannibalism.


el Gaucho
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
Maybe if all the jobs were still real man jobs like welding and exploring women would stay home and raise babies like God intended


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75503Tiger
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
Dude, they dumped our ancestors into the swamp so they could steal the land. Now their ancestors celebrate the culture that grew out of it.


CaptSpaulding
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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In the 1870s, there was an American expedition to Panama that got lost one mile away from their ship. They got lost for I believe months.


Those sound like some shitty explorers.


haikarate
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High C
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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Dude, they dumped our ancestors into the swamp so they could steal the land. Now their ancestors celebrate the culture that grew out of it.


Who are “our ancestors” and who are “they”? He’s made several posts in this thread. You sound kinda victim-y.


wheelr
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
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I often think “how cool would it have to been an explorer/adventurer in the past wandering through a little known land.”

Then I realize what a pussy I am in comparison and how I wouldn’t make it like a week.


I learned this quickly through backpacking. It only takes a couple wrong turns and some bushwacking to come to that realization.


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Boo Krewe
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
I read bout African samurai
Black king in India
But Portuguese came to Japan ?


Priapus
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re: Explorers of the past were tough SOBs
You want tough? Check out the story of Peter the Great's decision to take Alaska. He sent a crew from St. Petersburg, walking across Siberia, to reach the Bering Sea. There they had to chop down trees and build sailing ships to cross and take the Aleutians from the natives. Imagine what that took.


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