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re: Employer Docking Salary Pay If You Don't Clock In Or Out
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Don't answer the emails and when they ask why tell them you weren't at the office to clock in and out to avoid the fine, they'll rescind the policy quickly
Yep. I had a previous employer do something like this and we all just stopped working overtime from home. It was relaxed fairly quickly
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:38 am to TigerStripes06
quote:To ensure you're at work.
If you’re on salary, why the frick are you punching a clock?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:39 am to Codythetiger
They tried this at our office. When we started threatening law suits they quieted down quickly. Especially since 90% of the staff is on contract (which says nothing about reprimand for clock in/out procedures)
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:39 am to Codythetiger
You should document your time that you are responding to emails or taking calls after hours. It will totally suck to be completely responsible to every minute of that time, but will be a strong way to combat this. And this is the every day life of defense lawyers, so don’t complain about having to document everything.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:40 am to Codythetiger
Have you also used up all leave time?
Because my employer just subtracts the time unaccounted for from your leave allotment
Because my employer just subtracts the time unaccounted for from your leave allotment
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:41 am to Spankum
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Does nothing but hurt morale and decrease productivity IMO...
Oh brother, you sitting in our sales meetings?
We were making on average about 85-105k a month in profit in my little 5 man group.
All these policies got put in place, work weekends, time clock, way we did business and shite went down to me making like 50-60k.
Both my bosses are gone and they kinda laxed up on the regulations. My board sitting at 88,917 in profit for May. I had a sitdown talk with the owner and told him basically you're draining your workforce. I got a double in pay raise, but shite man, that's because if I leave, we are really fricked.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:44 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Are operating margins not important? If i work 100 hours on a project that should take 50 I'm bringing way less revenue than is possible. Is this a serious question?
Huh? If you are working 100 hours on a project that should take 50 you are either not educated on the subject and having to learn, goofing off or should have budgeted better. Every single successful person I have ever met in life has to spend more time than expected to work on a project and had to eat that time. It’s part of the learning curve or part of a willingness to go above and beyond.
If this is a regular occurance, you need to get better budget personnel.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:47 am to lake chuck fan
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was managing, and someone refused to answer an email because they weren't at the office to clock in.... I would find someone willing to do so. Pretty simple.
Then you fine them for answering the email without clocking in?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:49 am to go ta hell ole miss
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Huh? If you are working 100 hours on a project that should take 50 you are either not educated on the subject and having to learn, goofing off or should have budgeted better. Every single successful person I have ever met in life has to spend more time than expected to work on a project and had to eat that time. It’s part of the learning curve or part of a willingness to go above and beyond.
If this is a regular occurance, you need to get better budget personnel.
That's my point and the reason for salaried employees to track hours. Just because pay doesn't change doesn't mean hours worked aren't important.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:50 am to WylieTiger
Yeah, I’ve talked with firms that require everyone to clock in and out. It’s not necessarily a pay thing. For finance firms, they want to know who is doing what, when, where, and why.
For consulting firms, they have a specific amount of hours you need to be able to bill to the client every year and they need people to check into client systems to verify that.
For consulting firms, they have a specific amount of hours you need to be able to bill to the client every year and they need people to check into client systems to verify that.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:57 am to Codythetiger
I'm on salary and if I forget to clock in/out they will dock me. If I'm late or early they will dock me. Forget those days I'm at work for 10 hours, I was once 5 minutes late and was docked at a 30 minute loss.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:59 am to Codythetiger
LOL... Wait, you’re clicking in/out, but are salaried?
What?
What?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:00 pm to fallguy_1978
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Yep. I had a previous employer do something like this and we all just stopped working overtime from home. It was relaxed fairly quickly
Yeah, and it’s your “previous” employer. If you want to build a career with someone you should not just avoid emails or work.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:06 pm to TigerStripes06
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If you’re on salary, why the frick are you punching a clock?
Everyone that isn’t a manager at my company has to punch a clock. I am straight commission and still do. It has something to do with the amount of people that are hourly at that given company. We have a ton of road techs and drivers that are hourly
I don’t know the law but that was how an HR lady explained it to me
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That's my point and the reason for salaried employees to track hours. Just because pay doesn't change doesn't mean hours worked aren't important.
Ah. That’s very fair. I suppose that means budgeting or client expectations have to be better. I understand, and agree, with that position.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:14 pm to Codythetiger
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Salary
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Clock
Ummm baw these two dont mix like oil and water
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:15 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Yeah, and it’s your “previous” employer. If you want to build a career with someone you should not just avoid emails or work.
I left voluntarily after 10 years but shite like that contributed to it. It shows a lack of employee trust and is generally a sign of bad leadership.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:16 pm to tduecen
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I'm on salary and if I forget to clock in/out they will dock me. If I'm late or early they will dock me. Forget those days I'm at work for 10 hours, I was once 5 minutes late and was docked at a 30 minute loss.
Ouch
Yeah they aren't charging if we are late... but after inspection of the time clocks, out of 27 employees, only 4 people consistently clocked in and out on time. I was one of the 4.
I got nothing special, no bonus or anything, but you better not miss that clock or they'll charge your arse.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:28 pm to Codythetiger
Your employer is definately violating labor law. That said, this fact and 2.00, gets you a cup of coffee. Your employer cannot, by law, classify and pay you a salary, then utilize a time clock punch to penalize you for missed time. Time records indicating hours worked over 40 in pay week must be paid at 1.5x your hourly rate. Your employer is basically utilizing the time clock to assure you work 40 plus hours a week without consideration or pay for overtime earned. They can put you on a time clock but they cannot reduce your salary without reclassifying you as hourly and subject to hourly rules. It’s illegal. You AND your coworkers can report to the labor board and have them subpoena time card records and back pay you guys overtime earned. And you will promptly be terminated. But you get your money.
As far as answering emails on weekends, since your company reclassified you from salary to hourly, they changed your weekend status of “waiting to be engaged” to “engaged in waiting” and subsequently owe you pay for that time as well.
Companies will walk on you if you let them. The question you have to ask is this. Do I want to continue to accept this and work here, or do I want to find another job and hold them accountable?
As far as answering emails on weekends, since your company reclassified you from salary to hourly, they changed your weekend status of “waiting to be engaged” to “engaged in waiting” and subsequently owe you pay for that time as well.
Companies will walk on you if you let them. The question you have to ask is this. Do I want to continue to accept this and work here, or do I want to find another job and hold them accountable?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:29 pm to Codythetiger
I thought if they make you clock in and out, they could be subject to paying over time.
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