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re: Employer Docking Salary Pay If You Don't Clock In Or Out

Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by OptionRight
Down da skreet
Member since Sep 2010
852 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:32 pm to
You are correct! IF they dock you for missed time....they can’t have it both ways
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:42 pm to
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You should document your time that you are responding to emails or taking calls after hours. It will totally suck to be completely responsible to every minute of that time, but will be a strong way to combat this. And this is the every day life of defense lawyers, so don’t complain about having to document everything.


Take it a step further...

If "On Call" is required they are required to pay for that by law. Start billing them.

ETA: A couple years after I left one company in Tulsa someone called D.C. and sicc'd the Labor Board (Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Wage and Hours) on them. They had been paying salary, claiming on paper everyone except secretaries were VP's of the company. Logging onto your work PC to do work was the "timeclock" but they really had no problem with paying for those who finished assignments early, just no OT once they started weekends and nights stuff. Some of my former co-workers got 6 figure checks and the company had to also pay the income taxes on those monies too since they went back 3-5 years on the company books(not "fair" to make employees refile years of tax papers etc.).
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:48 pm to
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Apparently, there has been some rulings concerning this lately, as I know of several companies that are really pushing accurate documentation of time worked for both salaried and hourly employees.


That's because the Obama administration made the federal government get involved with overtime pay and salaried employee hours. frick idiots.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
30481 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:00 pm to
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Your employer is definately violating labor law. That said, this fact and 2.00, gets you a cup of coffee. Your employer cannot, by law, classify and pay you a salary, then utilize a time clock punch to penalize you for missed time. Time records indicating hours worked over 40 in pay week must be paid at 1.5x your hourly rate. Your employer is basically utilizing the time clock to assure you work 40 plus hours a week without consideration or pay for overtime earned. They can put you on a time clock but they cannot reduce your salary without reclassifying you as hourly and subject to hourly rules. It’s illegal.


Yeah it's confusing, but I'm not sure if it's a grey zone or what...

and mind you guys, I'm not the person in the office who's getting charged, though I have been, I'm just wondering if this is illegal. My controller said it was legal to do to commissioned employees.

I understand them wanting to make sure we are there, but if that's the case, then just pay me hourly... because I already work 50 hours a week.

and I have to see that on every paycheck that I'm working 100 hours every 2 weeks for a base salary, which upon verbal agreement I was told I would be working from 40-45 hours a week. Now that we had so many ppl quit in a short time frame, of course my workload has increased exponentially, thus me having to come in earlier and stay later and also work from email at home and phone calls during after office hours and spend more time with customers
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41846 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:05 pm to
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Codythetiger


You’ve said you’ve been docked before, right? What I would do is make sure you clock in over 40 hours in s week. Clock in like 45-50. If you do not get paid overtime, take Record’s of both occurring to management and throw labor laws at them until they are blue in the face. They shouldn’t be doing it at all for starters. As a salary employee, your pay cannot be determined by s time clock. Especially if you are not compensated for overtime but docked for undertime.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:14 pm to
Salary...Punch a time clock?

Sounds like you aren’t really salary, and you get shite on by not earning OT.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Are operating margins not important? If i work 100 hours on a project that should take 50 I'm bringing way less revenue than is possible. Is this a serious question?


Yeah, I get paid salary, and I submit a weekly, detailed timesheet both for budgetary reasons and to determine amount to be billed to client. Also, there are PTO considerations.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3219 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:23 pm to
If they keep treating you as non exempt, and you actually do have "overtime" your classification has now become non exempt and they owe you the back overtime. They can say you are exempt all they want, but if they treat you as non exempt (docking pay against the rules, etc.) the law is on your side.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
17372 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:24 pm to
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LOL... Wait, you’re clicking in/out, but are salaried?

What?

I don’t have a problem at all with this. I know salaried employees abuse the shite out of this where I work. 2 hour lunches, leaving to go pick up kids from school, then coming back, or just not coming back at all, grocery shopping in town during work hours, leaving “just” 15-30 minutes early on a fairly regular basis. I know salary where I work is based on 40hrs/week. And no, I can promise you, they’re not “making it up” by working over. At 4:30, it’s a ghost town.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41846 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:24 pm to
There are plenty of reasons to track hours, even if salary. It should not, however be a determination for how much you’re paid is not one of them.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45424 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:36 pm to
Use it to your advantage. I was working at a project that had a gate. We got a new a-hole supervisor that decided everyone was reporting time sheets correctly, so he checked the gate time. They ended up paying out more overtime as a result. He stopped that shite. OP. Clock in early Monday and get your hours in by Wed.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2618 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:39 pm to
Salary and punch a clock as well as a couple dozen people I manage. We punch a clock really for accounting reasons as we work in different offices/settings with each having their own code. The hours worked in each facility is paid out of that facility's pot.
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:42 pm to
I’m so happy I’ve never worked in an office or somewhere I had to clock in.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2618 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:51 pm to
The way we do it, you can punch in on a desktop computer, by calling an 800 number, or through a phone app. And if you miss a punch, just text it to me and I fix it. Not a big deal.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39253 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 1:52 pm to
This is not legal. They can take away time if you clock in before or stay later unapproved. For example, you are scheduled at 8am and clock in at 7:55pm. They can take away that five minutes.
Posted by damnedoldtigah
Middle of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
4275 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:11 pm to
Had one job that clocked salaried professionals. Objected like hell. Later went to a better organization. If job is 24/7 and salaried, it is an insult to degreed professionals to have to punch a clock.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53816 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:11 pm to
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I don’t have a problem at all with this. I know salaried employees abuse the shite out of this where I work. 2 hour lunches, leaving to go pick up kids from school, then coming back, or just not coming back at all, grocery shopping in town during work hours, leaving “just” 15-30 minutes early on a fairly regular basis. I know salary where I work is based on 40hrs/week. And no, I can promise you, they’re not “making it up” by working over. At 4:30, it’s a ghost town

I routinely work 33-34 hr weeks when we aren't busy. I also routinely work 50 hour weeks when we are. My boss doesn't gaf if I leave at 2pm on Friday or work 8:15 - 4 as long as I get my job done.

He also knows that he can call me at 2am or on a Saturday and I'll answer and help out. I don't check email after hours unless I'm on call though. Call or text me. Screw checking email 24/7. It's like being at work all of the time.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
17372 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:26 pm to
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I routinely work 33-34 hr weeks when we aren't busy. I also routinely work 50 hour weeks when we are.

Obviously, I’m not talking about you. Unfortunately, your situation would be the exception, not the rule. At least where I’m employed.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
30481 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 3:21 pm to
I'm considering not clocking in at all for the rest of the month. It's 10$ per missed punch or a day, I'm not really sure. But for a 20 day work month. That's anywhere between $200-$800 a month off your check.

That's crazy and idc how you slice it
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 3:48 pm to
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if it is in the company policy.
Incorrect. Company policy doesn't trump labor laws.
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