re: Employee surveillance gone too far?

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As for people asking why would he need his phone, that's a bit silly.

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if you have a company phone and you take it with you on an interview with another company.... you can't be surprised when you end up unemployed.

When I worked for a large corp I refused a company phone. I know they listened in on calls and watched us on Computer cams and had hidden cams installed along with listening eqpt in and around gathering places, i.e.: lounges and water fountains.

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Flip the script on company surveillance by reminding the management that your state is a 1 party notice state on recording conversations. Watch them scramble and trip all over themselves to get out of the room and draft some new policies and procedures on recording on the job.

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yea lemme know how that works out for you.

you people need to learn what "no expectation of privacy" means when you see it in your employee handbook

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Why would you work somewhere like this? Any company that spends it's resources on stuff like watching employees isn't hiring good people or keeping up with their competition who is fostering a team environment and encouraging innovation.

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He said a large corp. when you have thousands of salesman, and thousands of tech out in the field on their own everyday, you'd like to know where some of the dipshits are when they aren't performing to a level you expect.
If you're doing your job well, your boss isn't going to care that you basically took the afternoon off on a Friday, or stopped at Academy a Tuesday morning.

My boss has been telling us they are going to start tracking us. I don't have anything to hide, but i like my privacy, and if they do that, i'm getting my own phone and driving my own vehicle.

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Trained a new employee yesterday. His previous job ended badly when he was confronted by the owner and his boss asking why he spent 3 hours at a competitor's facility.

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they only fired him because he must have sucked...you're probably wasting your time training him

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yea lemme know how that works out for you.

you people need to learn what "no expectation of privacy" means when you see it in your employee handbook

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I've seen it happen. Not dumb enough to start it myself, but it is funny to watch. Management is bound by the same policies and procedures they prescribe unless they specifically exempt themselves. So that expectation of privacy thing, yeah, it applies to management too.

Never had the Bureau of Labor in your POE have ya? The BOL, especially wage and hour division, goes by the policies written. Same thing in hospitals large and small. The Joint Commission has some basics but the main way they hang crap on an individual place is using their own policies and procedures manual against them.

And since these audit agencies job is to find faults, if there are not enough they whip out the old, "you need a policy on ___", to attempt to get a poorly written policy hastily thrown together to generate a bad implementation to generate a fault.

When it comes to advance notice of any kind of audit agency coming to poke and prod, generate some really minor flaws that are easy to fix. Spoonfeed them a bit so they get to write a report and they go away happy.

He did it on his own time so I am not sure why the boss at his previous employer was upset? I would have handed him his phone and quit on the spot when confronted ,because being tracked after taking a vacation day is not right. It would be one thing if the guy took the interview while on the clock ,but taking a vacation day to do it is perfectly fine. I don't understand people who think that loyalty is owed to anyone in the business world. If someone gets another offer they should at least listen.

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Thoughts?

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Why the frick would he take a company vehicle to a job interview?

As for as surveillance going too far.. Its the company's truck, they can do whatever they want with it. If people who are issued a company vehicle use it as they are allowed to use it then there really isn't a problem.

Even if it didn't have GPS tracking it, someone could have easily passed and seen that vehicle parked at the competitor's facility.

How common is it for people to use their company vehicle for personal use? I worked for a company years ago that had a lot of work going on and as a result, there were more people with company issued vehicles on the road. There was an increase in vehicle accidents involving company vehicles so I created a database to track all events that went through safety and most of the accidents involving company vehicles took place during non-work related situation.

I remember someone got in a wreck right after picking their kid up from school, in a company vehicle. We noticed people were getting into wrecks (most of them were minor, but it was still a safety event) on the way home from work. Once that was discovered, they changed the work schedule. The people in the field were working 7 12s and after seeing all the safety events and the time range most of them were taking place, they decided to go to 6 10s. That made the numbers drop, there wasn't really a huge drop off in production and of course, less injuries, etc means paying less workers comp, etc..

Anyway, I don't think he even has an argument. When you use the company's vehicle for personal reasons, you pretty much have to take responsibility for anything that happens to it.

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Why did he take a company phone on his day off to a job interview?

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they have every right. It's their phone.