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re: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX...19 children and two adults killed

Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:07 pm to
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He has an AR-15.
Simply shoot the lock.
Door now (sadly) unlocked.


What the solution(s)? I'm just trying to come up with some ideas to solve this problem. Maybe there is not a one size fits all solution. Maybe it's a combination of human and engineering controls.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43755 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:08 pm to
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Give me a fricking break. It's not like that was the last $40 billion the country has to spend, adn these awful scenarios are the only time people like you pretend to care about mental health let alone claim you want additional spending on it.


What an odd hill to die on here. Some people actually do care about the mental healthcare system in America. It has been seriously lacking since the 1960's when they closed most of the hospitals and set people loose with the expectation that they take their medicine on their own.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112856 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:08 pm to
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How do you just run into a school nowadays
You think every single entrance way is being secured by someone?

My kids school is always locked, but it's also a bunch of glass doors, it's not exactly difficult to get in if you wanted to.
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and why wasn’t school on lockdown with murder suspect running wild close by?
How soon did they know he shot someone else?
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Every school I’ve gone in in the last 5 years has big fences
I haven't seen that at any schools here in North Texas
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most doors from outside you have to be buzzed in and there are cameras all over the place

Again, you can easily bust through the door if you wanted to, and what good is the camera going to do?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:08 pm to
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What the solution(s)?


Not locking people inside spreading wild propaganda about a cold for over 2 years would have been a great start.
Posted by pistolpete23
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
7280 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:09 pm to

The shooter is identified as 18yr old Salvador Ramos
Posted by down time
space
Member since Oct 2013
1914 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:09 pm to
reports seem to say 13 more students in hospital.
Unreal.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77260 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:09 pm to
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I think the bigger issue is that he was crazy.
Ok.

That doesn’t change the situation.

If he was brought here across the southern border illegally, it is time to have a hard conversation on the topic.

If he was crazy, it isn’t a good idea to allow unvetted crazy people into the country, right?

Maybe he was simply born here though.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93289 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:10 pm to
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[quote]How did he get the guns inside? Just walk in with them?[/quote


Well I assume not magic or telaportation


the kids could have been at recess or something..you cant put them into bubbles..this is horrible.

my wife just picked up our 7yo from school so this strikes close to home.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:10 pm to
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reports seem to say 13 more students in hospital. Unreal.


Hard to believe he could hurt/kill at least 28 with a hand gun.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:10 pm to
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Not locking people inside spreading wild propaganda about a cold for over 2 years would have been a great start.




I agree but that's a long term solution and school shooting have been happening forever.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122154 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:10 pm to
frick him. This is horrible. People send their kids to school expecting it to be to be an as safe environment as possible and then there is some worthless little prick who somehow justifies going into a school to shoot students and for what?

This is a parents worst nightmare. Sick
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66973 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:11 pm to
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Wondering if the one teacher is his mom and the kids are all from her class.


There is a rumor his mom taught there. With him shooting his grandmother it makes sense
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77260 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:11 pm to
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Give me a fricking break. It's not like that was the last $40 billion the country has to spend, adn these awful scenarios are the only time people like you pretend to care about mental health let alone claim you want additional spending on it.
True, but Scruffy is almost positive that everyone would rather that money was spent on something like mental health or securing the southern border rather than blindly shipping it to fricking Ukraine.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20241 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:11 pm to
Is OP still accurate? How many dead? Shooter dead?

This makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Maybe he was simply born here though.
Should we wait to find out before we start to push a political agenda onto this tragedy?
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22970 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
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They need anonymous teachers or other school employees to conceal and carry. This is horrible and inexcusable.


Probably would not have helped in this scenario. That doesn't mean that we don't try something, but I don't think there's a real good answer for these.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
39630 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
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If he is an illegal immigrant who was brought here as a child across the border, it is about time we have a hard conversation about immigration into this country.


Yeah, that’s the issue, all these home grown immigrant school shooters.

Jesus Christ, Scruffy.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77260 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Should we wait to find out before we start to push a political agenda onto this tragedy?
Sure.

Let me know when anyone reports on it.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Is OP still accurate? How many dead? Shooter dead?


Last I heard ABC was reporting that Governor Abbot said 14 dead.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
3273 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:12 pm to
Son had teacher in high school who had a handgun hidden in the ceiling of his classroom. They had some yahoo’s go hunting on school grounds, he got to it in seconds.
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