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re: Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:56 pm to armytiger96
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:56 pm to armytiger96
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The residents of Shenandoah didn’t come together to build the roads and infrastructure improvements that has occurred in this area. It was the Baton Rouge leadership that chose to invest in this area.
30 years ago
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:59 pm to IceTiger
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30 years ago
Kip wasn't mayor 30 years ago
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:02 pm to magildachunks
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Kip wasn't mayor 30 years ago
The roads were being put down 30 years ago...
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:06 pm to magildachunks
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I'm still trying to figure out how a parish-wide sales tax becomes SG's city sales tax.
Here's why.
There is a 2% sales tax that is parish wide, but is collected by each city( BR, Zachary, Baker and Central).
The 2% collected in the unincorporated goes into the parish's general fund.
If SG would form a city SG like the other cities in the parish would "keep" their 2% sales tax just like their sister cities already do.
Now the question I and many others have is where does our 2% go?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:08 pm to IceTiger
The residents of Shenandoah and all of EBR paid for the GL plan with their sales tax contributions.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:16 pm to doubleb
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Here's why.
There is a 2% sales tax that is parish wide, but is collected by each city( BR, Zachary, Baker and Central).
The 2% collected in the unincorporated goes into the parish's general fund.
If SG would form a city SG like the other cities in the parish would "keep" their 2% sales tax just like their sister cities already do.
Now the question I and many others have is where does our 2% go?
The problem is this: that 2-2.5% is not being paid in unincorporated EBR. Only applied to city/towns according to LATA.
sales tax charts
So...by incorporating, you'll be raising sales taxes by 2% at least.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:35 pm to magildachunks
You don't even understand the sales tax charts you linked.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:42 pm to doubleb
I agree he does not understand how the sales taxes work.
He still probably thinks BRPD along with the BRFD services this area. He probably also thinks BR water company is a parish service not a private water company that owns water systems all over this state.
He still probably thinks BRPD along with the BRFD services this area. He probably also thinks BR water company is a parish service not a private water company that owns water systems all over this state.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:11 pm to IceTiger
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The roads were being put down 30 years ago...
Yes over the past thirty years I’ve witnessed residents of Shenandoah come together and build the following roads despite the fact the BR leadership only cared about those within the city limits:
Seigen Lane extended from two lanes to six lanes
Coursey Blvd extended from Stumberg to O’Neal Lane
Slumberg four laned
Bluebonnet Lane go from two lanes to a four laned Bluebonnet Blvd.
Tiger Bend four laned
O’Neal lane extended from Harrell’s Ferry to George O’neal
Perkins Road four laned from Bluebonnet to Essen
Intersection improvement at Seigen, Sherwood, and Airline Hwy
Harrell’s Ferry four laned from Jones Creek to Sherwood Forrest
Interstate Exit installed at Millerville
Millerville Road four laned.
Most of these infrastructure improvements were before the Greenlight Program existed.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 7:13 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:09 am to urinetrouble
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You nailed it. Whoever runs their Facebook page acts like the hormonal teenager. They really need a better mouthpiece.
The extent of the outreach is to tell you where petitions are to be signed and finding ways to complain at the parish taxed library. Last month, showing flooding on the curve near the gov's mansion and complaining how our library money, a dedicated tax voted on by the parish, isn't used to fix the DOTDs road situation.
There's still no positive plan for why we should make the city happen. It's a lot of, BR gov bad and we need to try "something".
The something is still lacking on details beside how most of the money will go to keeping the same services we already use out here.
Roads maybe? Clearing ditches?
doubleb does well trying to address these sorts of concerns when these threads pop up, far more than the people actually pitching incorportation.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:16 am to armytiger96
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No shite . . . That is precisely my point. We need the citizens of Baker, Zachary, Central and SE Baton Rouge to have say in who is Mayor President of EBR. This is keeps us from becoming New Orleans.
No you're not getting it. First off there should not be a Mayor-President, ideally and for the sake of the Parish there should be a Mayor of Baton Rouge and a Parish President, or Police Jury President. Second, Orleans Parish and the City of New Orleans is one in the same, so the Mayor of New Orleans IS the Mayor-President. The cities in EBR Parish should be completely autonomous of the City of Baton Rouge. What we have now is a bastardized system that really helps no one.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 1:40 am to Areddishfish
I didn’t the read the article and I don’t plan on supporting the Advocate. It is now a progressive piece of shite paper. Additionally, if you have 5 economist in a room each doing a separate study you’ll get 10 different opinions. You can’t trust an economist because they are merely speculations and already have implicit bias. The fact that the group sponsoring the study is named one Baton Rouge should tell you a lot about the bias in the report as well.
The truth of the matter is St. George can be self sufficient. There are villages all throughout this state that have less than 500 people that support a very small government that handle their own business. If you think 80,000 can’t support their own government then you are a fool. This is about money. The old Baton Rouge money doesn’t want the new Baton Rouge money spending their money to have better and nicer things while they are stuck living in old Baton Rouge. Jim Richardson can suck my dick. That’s about all he’s good for and Stephanie grace can go eat some more pussy.
The truth of the matter is St. George can be self sufficient. There are villages all throughout this state that have less than 500 people that support a very small government that handle their own business. If you think 80,000 can’t support their own government then you are a fool. This is about money. The old Baton Rouge money doesn’t want the new Baton Rouge money spending their money to have better and nicer things while they are stuck living in old Baton Rouge. Jim Richardson can suck my dick. That’s about all he’s good for and Stephanie grace can go eat some more pussy.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:36 am to Areddishfish
I hope you St George guys pull this off.
There's a reason the radicals in BR oppose you so vehemently.
There's a reason the radicals in BR oppose you so vehemently.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 6:31 am to IceTiger
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There's no less than 50 cities in the south better than BR...
I did a year there, that was enough
Tigers are all they've got
I don't disagree but I was born and raised in BR with the overwhelming majority of my family and friends still in the area it will always have a special place in my heart but I am glad to have moved on. It will be nice to visit but I have no plans on moving back.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:02 am to armytiger96
I understand the point you are trying to make, but we paid taxes to get roads built.
Btw, several of those projects are GL projects. Your list is incorrect.
Btw, several of those projects are GL projects. Your list is incorrect.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:29 am to doubleb
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You have to know you can't trust the mayor and her surrogates; however you are right to question the SG organizers and their numbers too.
yo are right. Broome is worthless. And you are right, that does not make the SG group trustworthy by default.
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Car sales taxes are paid to the govt. entity where the purchaser lives or where the business is that purchased a vehicle is located; however, most of the other taxes go to where the tax is paid.
How hard is it to get those numbers?
I would guess extremely. Conceivably you could identify every entity that remitted sales tax to EBR, then determine which were auto dealers, then drill down on the records to find who made the purchases, then use the addresses to see which ones fall in the SG fotprint. It is a job i'd love to put a few staff consultants on to rack up a huge amount of billable hours.
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Second, how hard is it to determine where the sales taxes collected in SG and from SGeans on automobiles goes?
We know where sales taxes go.
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Third, what legacy costs are SGeans respondible for? Who are these people? Not BRPD, not BRFD, not city workers. And not BREC, EMS, Sewer, or Library workers because SGeans would continue to pay these taxes and would continue to get these services.
That is the million dollar question isn't it. EBR is clearly overstating it, and St. George is probably understating it.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:32 am to tommy2tone1999
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No you're not getting it.
No I get what you are saying; I happen to strongly disagree with you.
My point is in order for BR to be successful we need strong conservative leadership. If only the those residing in the city of BR elected the mayor then we will continue to have poor leadership which will eventually becdetrimental to the entire BR Metro area.
As someone who grew up in Shenandoah, I believe the notion that Southeast Baton Rouge is its own city is a joke. In my opinion the unincorporated areas should have been incorporated long ago.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 8:15 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:42 am to armytiger96
Shenandoah wouldn't be all of SG.
It would be a small part of SG. Shenandoah would remain in EBR, it would be in a city and hopefully eventually in an ISD.
It would be a small part of SG. Shenandoah would remain in EBR, it would be in a city and hopefully eventually in an ISD.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:01 am to doubleb
St. George needs to talk about the Houston ISDs and how little they spend compared to EBR with amazing results.
Stop trying to look for every little problem in EBR like the new library and blast that as a reason for forming St. George
Stop trying to look for every little problem in EBR like the new library and blast that as a reason for forming St. George
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:32 am to Mudminnow
They need to paint a vision of what they want to build.
City first which will be better able to provide the basic services the parish now provides to be followed by an ISD.
They need to demonstrate the plan better than they have been doing.
They are going to let the mayor and her surrogates control the debate.
City first which will be better able to provide the basic services the parish now provides to be followed by an ISD.
They need to demonstrate the plan better than they have been doing.
They are going to let the mayor and her surrogates control the debate.
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