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re: Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:33 pm to rowbear1922
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:33 pm to rowbear1922
Why can't, in the same breath, these economists tell SWB that paying 9 grand a year to a hoodlum is a wrong figure; why can't they tell her hiring a crooked poser as a CAO and make 200 grand is a wrong figure; why cant they tell her 300K to a bidder to do a study and launder money is a bad figure? And to invest in a bus system that will basically make LSU and Plank Road all one big fun fest...wrong figures.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:37 pm to Lsuhack1
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My retort to this is that the city parish government is such a convoluted mess that any efficiencies gained from a bigger resource pool is counteracted by the bureaucracy in place.
Sorry I didn't use small words.
Then you retort is a non sequitur logical fallacy.
The monies redirected from the consolidated government may create a deficit for the consolidated government, and the same monies may not be enough to cover St George's operating expenses.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:08 pm to Lsuhack1
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Economies of scale mean that as you pool resources together you become more efficient. So theoretically as the population gets larger organizations get more efficient. This efficiency is the only way your statement makes any sense.
That’s not the only way his statement makes sense.
I think the issue is that you’re assuming that incorporated SG will cost the same as unincormpirated SG does today. That’s probably not true, it will likely cost more (at least in the beginning).
That guy’s point has nothing to do with economies of scale. It has to do with the possibility that gov spend might be higher if they become a city and current revenue might not be enough as it is today.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:15 pm to Areddishfish
Must be important if Richardson woke up to do something
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:43 pm to C
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Baton Rouge must have the best market for “studies” in the world. Never seen a problem that hasn’t been “studied” multiple times yet the problem remains. I wonder if I can set up a studies shop and subcontract out of Bangalore India to do the work. There has to be some efficiencies to be found in the process.
One man's "study" is another man's "kickback."
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:01 pm to Golfer
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I'm thoroughly against any campaign from the "anti" St. George group that tries to stop a petition and vote from occurring. However, the most recent St. George facebook ad talks about the Library fiasco downtown.
The Library Board, and it's taxes, are parish-wide and would not change with the creation of a municipality.
They just need to be truthful with their potential citizenry and avoid these type of tactics, IMO. They've got enough going without the deception to get the petition to vote to occur.
You nailed it. Whoever runs their Facebook page acts like the hormonal teenager. They really need a better mouthpiece.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:03 pm to magildachunks
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Who is heading SG?
The petitioners whose names are on every copy of the petition, ding dong.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:11 pm to Areddishfish
It funny saying consolidated Govt save money.
Then why is Lafayette Parish Consolidated Government talking about splitting the parish and City of Lafayette Government.
EBRP needs to do the same thing.
Split the City of BR and EBRP Government.
LINK
The ordinance would:
Reverse the "consolidation" that happened 20 years ago and abolish the City-Parish Council. It is place would be a City Council and a Parish Council - which is what was in place prior to the "consolidation."
Abolish the Lafayette Public Utilities Authority and make the City Council the governing authority of the Lafayette Utilities System.
Allow the current mayor-president and the current city-parish council members to run for any of the created positions. It also would re-start the term limit clock on any position they obtained in the new government. It also maintains the current salary of City-Parish Council members of nearly $31,000 annually for every council member.
Abolish the Lafayette City-Parish Planning and Commission, and replace it with a City Planning and Zoning Commission and a Parish Planning and Zoning Commission.
Revise the nomination process for the Lafayette Municipal Civil Service Board to match the other changes.
Set up a process for voters to approve or reject proposals based on the subject matter: City voters would vote on city matters; parish voters would vote on parish matters, and all voters would vote on joint matters.
The two councils would act jointing for some business: hiring an auditor, setting salaries for employees, approval of the budget, etc.
Then why is Lafayette Parish Consolidated Government talking about splitting the parish and City of Lafayette Government.
EBRP needs to do the same thing.
Split the City of BR and EBRP Government.
LINK
The ordinance would:
Reverse the "consolidation" that happened 20 years ago and abolish the City-Parish Council. It is place would be a City Council and a Parish Council - which is what was in place prior to the "consolidation."
Abolish the Lafayette Public Utilities Authority and make the City Council the governing authority of the Lafayette Utilities System.
Allow the current mayor-president and the current city-parish council members to run for any of the created positions. It also would re-start the term limit clock on any position they obtained in the new government. It also maintains the current salary of City-Parish Council members of nearly $31,000 annually for every council member.
Abolish the Lafayette City-Parish Planning and Commission, and replace it with a City Planning and Zoning Commission and a Parish Planning and Zoning Commission.
Revise the nomination process for the Lafayette Municipal Civil Service Board to match the other changes.
Set up a process for voters to approve or reject proposals based on the subject matter: City voters would vote on city matters; parish voters would vote on parish matters, and all voters would vote on joint matters.
The two councils would act jointing for some business: hiring an auditor, setting salaries for employees, approval of the budget, etc.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:24 pm to johnnyrocket
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EBRP needs to do the same thing. Split the City of BR and EBRP Government.
This is a horrible idea and would be catastrophic to the area. This is precisely why I am opposed to the idea of forming the city of St. George.
You don’t need to form a new city to avoid SWB’s of the world from getting elected. Instead just show up and vote. The citizens of St. George were so excited to elect their founding father Bodi White to Mayor that only 50% of registered voters bothered to show up on Election Day.
Unfortunately, they don’t realize that as 20% of registered voters in the parish they can create a powerful voice in the local government elections Had they elected Bodi White they would have had a Mayor that supports an independent school district.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:34 pm to armytiger96
This would keep the parish revenue separate from the city revenue.
This would also ensure everyone who uses parish services pays for them, unincorporated areas pay for just unincorporated services, and people outside BR can not elect their mayor.
Right now if St George becomes a city, Baker, Zachary, and Central voters can vote for the City of BR’s Mayor as this one person represents both governments.
Separate City Government from Parish Govt only voters that reside inside BR can vote for their mayor. You could possibly have a mayor like in the past that does not reside in the city.
This would also ensure everyone who uses parish services pays for them, unincorporated areas pay for just unincorporated services, and people outside BR can not elect their mayor.
Right now if St George becomes a city, Baker, Zachary, and Central voters can vote for the City of BR’s Mayor as this one person represents both governments.
Separate City Government from Parish Govt only voters that reside inside BR can vote for their mayor. You could possibly have a mayor like in the past that does not reside in the city.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:56 pm to magildachunks
Norman Browning
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:09 pm to johnnyrocket
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Right now if St George becomes a city, Baker, Zachary, and Central voters can vote for the City of BR’s Mayor as this one person represents both governments.
No shite . . . That is precisely my point. We need the citizens of Baker, Zachary, Central and SE Baton Rouge to have say in who is Mayor President of EBR. There is no Mayor of Baton Rouge. This is keeps us from becoming New Orleans.
Likewise Central, Zachary, and “St George” needs Baton Rouge to be prosperous to be thriving communities.
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You could possibly have a mayor like in the past that does not reside in the city.
I would much rather have Tom Ed Mchugh, Bobby Simpson, or Bodi White as Mayor of BR than SWB.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:17 pm to armytiger96
If SG becomes city tomorrow, SGeans would still vote for Mayor-PRes. Of EBR parish.
Right now the population of BR(city) is stagnant.
SG, Central, Zachary, etc are growing. SG forms an ISD it will grow even faster; thus more voters and more of a voice in parish wide elections.
Broome, Beychok, Mayeux and other Dems don't want that; thus the fight to keep power.
Right now the population of BR(city) is stagnant.
SG, Central, Zachary, etc are growing. SG forms an ISD it will grow even faster; thus more voters and more of a voice in parish wide elections.
Broome, Beychok, Mayeux and other Dems don't want that; thus the fight to keep power.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:18 pm to armytiger96
Lafayette is trying to deconsildate due to the cities took the profitable tax base and left the more rural areas around these areas. Now the cost is so much some councilmembers have talked about forcing unincorporated areas into the nearest cities to control cost.
This area is large enough and profitable enough to be its own city.
BR is out for BR and they could care less about other areas.
They proved this by annexing the Seigen Mall while still expecting the fire dept we pay for to service it.
Look at the DA’s off.
The whole parish even the BR leaches use it.
Unincorporated areas pay for this and BR does not.
Yet BR uses the district attorney’s office more than the unicorporated areas.
If BR was not leaching off unincorporated areas why are they fighting this?
This area is large enough and profitable enough to be its own city.
BR is out for BR and they could care less about other areas.
They proved this by annexing the Seigen Mall while still expecting the fire dept we pay for to service it.
Look at the DA’s off.
The whole parish even the BR leaches use it.
Unincorporated areas pay for this and BR does not.
Yet BR uses the district attorney’s office more than the unicorporated areas.
If BR was not leaching off unincorporated areas why are they fighting this?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:33 pm to BlackAdam
Adam, you understand budgets and numbers as well as anyone here.
You have to know you can't trust the mayor and her surrogates; however you are right to question the SG organizers and their numbers too.
There should be some facts brought forward regarding revenues (mostly the 2% sales tax) to aid SGeans in making their decision.
Car sales taxes are paid to the govt. entity where the purchaser lives or where the business is that purchased a vehicle is located; however, most of the other taxes go to where the tax is paid.
How hard is it to get those numbers?
Second, how hard is it to determine where the sales taxes collected in SG and from SGeans on automobiles goes?
Third, what legacy costs are SGeans respondible for? Who are these people? Not BRPD, not BRFD, not city workers. And not BREC, EMS, Sewer, or Library workers because SGeans would continue to pay these taxes and would continue to get these services.
You have to know you can't trust the mayor and her surrogates; however you are right to question the SG organizers and their numbers too.
There should be some facts brought forward regarding revenues (mostly the 2% sales tax) to aid SGeans in making their decision.
Car sales taxes are paid to the govt. entity where the purchaser lives or where the business is that purchased a vehicle is located; however, most of the other taxes go to where the tax is paid.
How hard is it to get those numbers?
Second, how hard is it to determine where the sales taxes collected in SG and from SGeans on automobiles goes?
Third, what legacy costs are SGeans respondible for? Who are these people? Not BRPD, not BRFD, not city workers. And not BREC, EMS, Sewer, or Library workers because SGeans would continue to pay these taxes and would continue to get these services.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:34 pm to johnnyrocket
The million dollar question.
This area population wise has enough people to become one of the top five cities in Louisiana by population.
Why are they against an area becoming a city when the city of BR did not want to annex this area years ago?
This area population wise has enough people to become one of the top five cities in Louisiana by population.
Why are they against an area becoming a city when the city of BR did not want to annex this area years ago?
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:48 pm to johnnyrocket
Because they can't afford it.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:49 pm to johnnyrocket
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BR is out for BR and they could care less about other areas. They proved this by annexing the Seigen Mall while still expecting the fire dept we pay for to service it.
Do you truly believe this? How do you think St George grew to the point where it could form its own city.
The residents of Shenandoah didn’t come together to build the roads and infrastructure improvements that has occurred in this area. It was the Baton Rouge leadership that chose to invest in this area.
I keep reading on here about the fire departments. It seems to me that there is a cooperative agreement to work with each other and support the community regardless of the boundaries. Two years ago I watched a house in U Club burn down. The BRFD showed up on scene a couple of minutes after St George FD showed up.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:53 pm to rowbear1922
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As someone who just moved out of BR for the first time in his life (30 years), I would never move back to Baton Rouge under the current situation
There's no less than 50 cities in the south better than BR...
I did a year there, that was enough
Tigers are all they've got
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:55 pm to doubleb
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Broome, Beychok, Mayeux and other Dems don't want that; thus the fight to keep power.
As said above: if these cities didn't want Broome as Parish-president, all they had to do was show up to the polls.
SG becoming a city does not change parish politics.
I'm still trying to figure out how a parish-wide sales tax becomes SG's city sales tax.
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