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re: Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:36 pm to MLCLyons
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:36 pm to MLCLyons
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Are they planning on building their own waste treatment facilities and water company or are they essentially going to buy from BR?
Baton Rouge Water Company =/= Baton Rouge Consolidated Government.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:37 pm to MLCLyons
Let me take this step by step
This is not about school districts at this point in time. schools have no play in these budgets. Even thought they are probably 90% of the reason everything is happening.
your right on this one they will have to come out of pocket and do some financing at first. If they are saying otherwise I think it is disengous, but for starters they can rent office space and lease trucks.
well baton rouge water is a private company so they will still service them, and sewer is already in place and ran by the parish.
I do think they will need to either do a bond issue at some point but no clue as to when that will happen.
still I don't think your argument is close to correct.
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If they already had everything in place like school
This is not about school districts at this point in time. schools have no play in these budgets. Even thought they are probably 90% of the reason everything is happening.
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municipal buildings, equipment, trucks, etc. in place they might.
your right on this one they will have to come out of pocket and do some financing at first. If they are saying otherwise I think it is disengous, but for starters they can rent office space and lease trucks.
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own waste treatment facilities and water company
well baton rouge water is a private company so they will still service them, and sewer is already in place and ran by the parish.
I do think they will need to either do a bond issue at some point but no clue as to when that will happen.
still I don't think your argument is close to correct.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:41 pm to Areddishfish
I'm thoroughly against any campaign from the "anti" St. George group that tries to stop a petition and vote from occurring. However, the most recent St. George facebook ad talks about the Library fiasco downtown.
The Library Board, and it's taxes, are parish-wide and would not change with the creation of a municipality.
They just need to be truthful with their potential citizenry and avoid these type of tactics, IMO. They've got enough going without the deception to get the petition to vote to occur.
The Library Board, and it's taxes, are parish-wide and would not change with the creation of a municipality.
They just need to be truthful with their potential citizenry and avoid these type of tactics, IMO. They've got enough going without the deception to get the petition to vote to occur.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:42 pm to Areddishfish
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Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Should read:
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BATON ROUGE PAID Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:43 pm to Areddishfish
So does this mean Sharon Wesson Brooome's numbers were not accurate when she confirmed the projected surplus?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:44 pm to Lsuhack1
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Let me take this step by step
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If they already had everything in place like school
This is not about school districts at this point in time. schools have no play in these budgets. Even thought they are probably 90% of the reason everything is happening.
quote:
municipal buildings, equipment, trucks, etc. in place they might.
your right on this one they will have to come out of pocket and do some financing at first. If they are saying otherwise I think it is disengous, but for starters they can rent office space and lease trucks.
quote:
own waste treatment facilities and water company
well baton rouge water is a private company so they will still service them, and sewer is already in place and ran by the parish.
I do think they will need to either do a bond issue at some point but no clue as to when that will happen.
still I don't think your argument is close to correct.
All good points.
But what about workers? City engineers? Planners?
That's just infrastructure. You can't contract everything out. Not if you don't want to get raped on price.
Lowest bidder only works when there's the threat of doing it yourself.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:45 pm to magildachunks
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Lowest bidder only works when there's the threat of doing it yourself.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:47 pm to Supermoto Tiger
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Economists say St. George has wrong figures
Should read:
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BATON ROUGE PAID Economists say St. George has wrong figures
ST GEORGE PAID accounting firm says St George has right figures.
Why should we trust a firm paid by SG over an economist paid by a nonprofit?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:51 pm to Areddishfish
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Their study was paid for by a new nonprofit called One Baton Rouge, spearheaded by political consultant Michael Beychok. The group paid $17,500 for the study, and Beychok said the money came from private donors
In the press Conference the question was asked who were the members of One Baton Rouge, and they would not answer the question at the time. So here is are the members One Baton Rouge according to the Secretary of State's website:
Cordell Haymon, Director
Center for Planning Excellence Board Chairman, also on the CATS Board (On a side note, he was also involved in the Stanford Group Ponzi Scheme Stanford receiver sues two Baton Rouge-area law firms)
Donna Mayeaux, Director
Ran for Mayor in 2000 as a Democrat, Active Member of Together Baton Rouge
Michael Beychok
Democratic Political Operative
Nah no bias here.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:52 pm to Areddishfish
I would be interested in seeing 3 figures from the economist.
What is the percentage of taxes in EBR paid by St. George people?
What percentage of taxes spent in EBR are spent to benefit St. George people?
How much has been spent on catering meetings that SWB attended?
What is the percentage of taxes in EBR paid by St. George people?
What percentage of taxes spent in EBR are spent to benefit St. George people?
How much has been spent on catering meetings that SWB attended?
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:53 pm to Lsuhack1
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so you are saying that the city parish government is ran so efficiently that it gives us economies of scale that work in everyone's benefit? A city parish that is so flush with money that it just paid 300k for a racial diversity study. But at the same time refuses to invest in baton rouge economic development projects.
BTW I thought all the businesses in baton rouge were making so much money and shafting the parish on taxes that the businesses didn't make any money for the parish.
Look man, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Read it ten or twelve more times. The point is very clear.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:54 pm to magildachunks
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That's just infrastructure. You can't contract everything out. Not if you don't want to get raped on price.
Lowest bidder only works when there's the threat of doing it yourself.
everything is lowest bidder weather it is an employee or a contractor, but their are companies like CH2M that specialize in things like this and can probably create their own economies of scale.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:55 pm to tommy2tone1999
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In the press Conference the question was asked who were the members of One Baton Rouge, and they would not answer the question at the time.
Who is heading SG?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:55 pm to BlackAdam
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Look man, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Read it ten or twelve more times. The point is very clear.
LOL i am not saying that in a well run government that economies of scale don't work I am just debating you on the fact that you say that BR is run so well that we get economies of scale from it.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:56 pm to magildachunks
It's on every petition. Norman Browning and Chris Rials.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:04 pm to Lsuhack1
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LOL i am not saying that in a well run government that economies of scale don't work I am just debating you on the fact that you say that BR is run so well that we get economies of scale from it.
WTF are you talking about. I never said EBR was efficiently run, or anything about economies of scale.
I just said that losing revenue from the creation of St. George can be bad for the city parish government, and those same monies may not be enough to operate the St. George.
Do I need to use even smaller words for you?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:08 pm to Areddishfish
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private donors.
Wonder who they could be...
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:11 pm to BlackAdam
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WTF are you talking about. I never said EBR was efficiently run, or anything about economies of scale.
I just said that losing revenue from the creation of St. George can be bad for the city parish government, and those same monies may not be enough to operate the St. George.
Do I need to use even smaller words for you?
NO you need better understanding of basic economic concepts so i will break it down to you.
Economies of scale mean that as you pool resources together you become more efficient. So theoretically as the population gets larger organizations get more efficient. This efficiency is the only way your statement makes any sense.
That an area can both bring in more money than the surrounding areas in tax dollars but at the same time not survive on its own.
My retort to this is that the city parish government is such a convoluted mess that any efficiencies gained from a bigger resource pool is counteracted by the bureaucracy in place.
Sorry I didn't use small words.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:14 pm to Lsuhack1
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My retort to this is that the city parish government is such a convoluted mess that any efficiencies gained from a bigger resource pool is counteracted by the bureaucracy in place.
How is SG going to change that?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:17 pm to Lsuhack1
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their are companies like Jacobs Engineering that specialize in things like this and can probably create their own economies of scale.
FIFY. They merged a few months back.
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