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re: EBR baws, what are your thoughts on the MovEBR proposal?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:29 pm to dragginass
Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:29 pm to dragginass
quote:I’ve seen Forrest Gump twice.
You never have been able to see the Forrest f
quote:It’s not important where the sales tax is collected. It’s only important WHO pays the sales tax. Getting back to your original inaccurate statement, people from parishes other than EBR, and from other states and countries, WILL pay the new tax (if it passes) whenever they shop in East Baton Rouge Parish.
The fact is that the proposed MoveBR sales tax would only be collected in EBRP, and those other parishes would collect nothing for the projects.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:42 pm to LSURussian
Another tax for Louisiana, just a mere 7 years ago Louisiana was ranked #45 in the country on overall tax burden, now it's 29th.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:47 pm to LSURussian
You know very well the primary burden of an EBRP sales tax falls on EBRP residents. It's not worth even considering otherwise in a rational discussion amongst taxpayers.
I'm not sure if your cute little arguments make you feel special, but you look stupid.
I'm not sure if your cute little arguments make you feel special, but you look stupid.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:54 pm to LSURussian
I think we all know people who buy something in EBRP will pay the taxes even if they do not live here.
The huge problem I see is commuters who work in BR while living outside EBRP will buy less here if our sales taxes go up too high.
Look at Ascension and LP they both have shopping centers, car dealers, and restaurants where people from these parishes no longer have to come here to shop.
The huge problem I see is commuters who work in BR while living outside EBRP will buy less here if our sales taxes go up too high.
Look at Ascension and LP they both have shopping centers, car dealers, and restaurants where people from these parishes no longer have to come here to shop.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:54 pm to TigersSEC2010
Remember Kip’s “Green Light” plan? It too called for light synchronization but I’m pretty sure Council On Aging and EBR pensions gobbled up all the fricking money.
No new taxes while BR runs the parish. Once St George makes it and they split parish pres from the BR mayor, then we’ll talk.
No new taxes while BR runs the parish. Once St George makes it and they split parish pres from the BR mayor, then we’ll talk.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
I like how the radio commercials tell us “we swear we won’t use the money on anything else. It’ll go into a safe and no one can touch it.” Them having to tell us that says everything about what they do with our taxes. fricking idiots.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:02 pm to dragginass
quote:Of course that’s true. It’s also true that EBR residents will benefit the most from improved EBR roads.
You know very well the primary burden of an EBRP sales tax falls on EBRP residents.
But let me remind you what you posted earlier that I disputed.
quote:The citizens of those parishes WILL pay the sales tax every time they shop in EBR.
commuters from LP and AP. Those parishes would pay nothing.
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but you look stupid.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:02 pm to TigersSEC2010
Vote yes, this has to get done if we can ever expect things to improve. The reality of it is it will cost a few hundred dollars per year that most will never miss. Get over the Broome thing, I don’t like her but this is bigger than her and the stupid arse council
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:06 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:This is exactly what I could see her doing.
We're going to line Plank Road with shrubs
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:07 pm to TigersSEC2010
They sound great but they’ll never actually happen.
Anyone who votes yes is being duped.
Anyone who votes yes is being duped.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:13 pm to LSURussian
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commuters from LP and AP. Those parishes would pay nothing.
The citizens of those parishes WILL pay the sales tax every time they shop in EBR
Which is precisely why I said what I said. Those parishes (meaning their budgets. Try to follow.) outside of EBR contribute nothing. Yes, outside residents shop here. Conversely, EBRP residents shop in LP and AP. It's a wash, and for the sake of a single parish proposing a tax it's a stupid argument to make.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:21 pm to dragginass
quote:Let me fill you in on a little something about "those people" from LP and AP (I'm one of them). We USED to be EBRP citizens. Raised and went to school in EBRP. Still drive around and conduct business in EBRP. Still do entertainment in the EBRP. Still shop in the EBRP. Just because we live in Ascension and Livingston Parish, DOES NOT mean that we're 100 miles away and make an occasional trip "to the big city". We still very much are a part of the Baton Rouge metro area, and we all spend money and pay sales tax as such.
yet our traffic problems are influenced significantly (primarily?) By commuters from LP and AP.
I'm sorry, but your post came across like you were saying "those people will drive in our parish and they're the cause of our traffic woes, yet they don't pay taxes". Which, could not be further from the truth about what's really going on.
All that being said, the cause of the traffic woes in Baton Rouge is poor planning in regards to infrastructure, including piss poor traffic signal timing (which goes back to poor planning). And the amount of drivers have outgrown the roads and highways by 20 years ago. The city is not able to keep up with the population size, because the infrastructure is still based on Baton Rouge before the big white flight to Ascension and Livingston Parishes. It's as if they decided to take a snapshot of Baton Rouge in say, 1998 and decided to do nothing more with the infrastructure. And to be completely honest with you, for those of us who moved to the suburbs since then, if we were all to move back (if there was enough housing to take us all in) - the problem would be triple in size of being worse.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:27 pm to RealityTiger
You're partially right.
There are many reasons why BR traffic is bad, but people leaving the parish (or even city of BR) is certainly a large factor. I don't blame you. The schools, taxes etc are all contributing factors, and if the path doesn't change things will only get worse.
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It's one of the largest reasons I have defended the incorporation of SG, even though I left the area.
The commercial attractions of BR are dying though. Juban crossing, Tanger, etc are all legitimate and continuing to develop. Other than fine dining, there really isn't anything in BR that the neighboring parishes and suburbs don't have.
There are many reasons why BR traffic is bad, but people leaving the parish (or even city of BR) is certainly a large factor. I don't blame you. The schools, taxes etc are all contributing factors, and if the path doesn't change things will only get worse.
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It's one of the largest reasons I have defended the incorporation of SG, even though I left the area.
The commercial attractions of BR are dying though. Juban crossing, Tanger, etc are all legitimate and continuing to develop. Other than fine dining, there really isn't anything in BR that the neighboring parishes and suburbs don't have.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:28 pm to Giantkiller
quote:BR residents remember that.
Remember Kip’s “Green Light” plan? It too called for light synchronization but I’m pretty sure Council On Aging and EBR pensions gobbled up all the fricking money.
They can be summed up in the same way Scruffy sums up socialists.
Socialist: “They didn’t do it right that time. They will definitely get it right this time.”
BR Resident: “They didn’t do it right that time. They will definitely get it right this time.”
Dumbasses.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:30 pm to Scruffy
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BR Resident: “They didn’t do it right that time. They will definitely get it right this time.”
I early voted no already. I will never vote for more taxes for those that are so irresponsible with what we already give them.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:30 pm to dragginass
quote:As I posted earlier in this thread, I’m voting against both tax proposals tomorrow. But your reason quoted above for opposing the sales tax is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard for opposing a tax. It’s childish logic.
Those parishes (meaning their budgets. Try to follow.) outside of EBR contribute nothing.
“Other parishes don’t put it in their budget to improve East Baton Rouge Parish roads so we’ll just keep driving on crappy roads we drive on every day!
“Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:39 pm to LSURussian
There are a multitude of reasons to vote no. Debt, ranking of taxation rate, 30 year commitment to only specified projects etc.
The problem is in fact regional though. There are far more people who commute into the parish for work than vice versa. Those people do stress the traffic situation further, and saying otherwise is silly.
The problem is in fact regional though. There are far more people who commute into the parish for work than vice versa. Those people do stress the traffic situation further, and saying otherwise is silly.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:51 pm to dragginass
quote:
The problem is in fact regional though. There are far more people who commute into the parish for work than vice versa. Those people do stress the traffic situation further, and saying otherwise is silly.
You are right, lets wait till those other parishes see the light and vote to spend their tax dollars fixing our roads.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:54 pm to Creamer
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You are right, lets wait till those other parishes see the light and vote to spend their tax dollars fixing our roads.
Not all of the roads being improved are local. There are state highway projects listed.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:56 pm to TigersSEC2010
It's actually a great time of year for this to be on the ballot. Reason why - it's time for your property tax notices to show up in the mail.
Flip that fricker over and just look at where your taxes go.
Flip that fricker over and just look at where your taxes go.
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