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Dutch woman becomes first known death from a COVID-19 reinfection

Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:36 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:36 pm


An elderly woman in the Netherlands is the first reported person to die after becoming infected with COVID-19 a second time, according to a new study.

The unidentified 89-year-old woman — who had a rare form of cancer — tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this year after going to a hospital emergency room with “fever and severe cough,” said the study published in the peer-reviewed journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

“She was discharged after 5 days and besides some persisting fatigue her symptoms subsided completely,” said the study in the official publication of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. No date was given for the tests or her discharge.

But 59 days later, she “developed fever, cough” and had difficulty breathing — and tested positive a second time.

The second infection came just two days after her latest round of chemotherapy for a type of non-Hodgkin lymphoma called Waldenström’s macroglobulinemia, which compromised her immune system. However, two tests for coronavirus antibodies both came back negative.

“At day 8, the condition of the patient deteriorated. She died two weeks later,” the study said, again without giving dates.

The Dutch woman had not been tested in between her two bouts of coronavirus — but “the two strains differed” notably, the team of Dutch researchers wrote.

“It is likely that the second episode was a reinfection rather than prolonged shedding,” the study insisted.
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The paper compared her to the 25-year-old Nevada man recently revealed as America’s first confirmed case of reinfection, saying both “experienced a more severe second episode.”

While that may have been expected given the Dutch woman’s recent chemo, the US man had no other underlying conditions, the study noted. He also appears to have been infected with two different genetic strains.

To date, researchers have confirmed only 23 cases of reinfection, but in all prior cases, the patient recovered, the Telegraph said.

“There are still many unknowns,” Mark Pandori, the director of the Nevada State Public Health Laboratory who led the study into the American case, told Bloomberg.

“Our findings signal that a previous SARS-CoV-2 infection may not necessarily protect against future infection,” he said. “The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of COVID-19 immunity, especially in the absence of an effective vaccine.”
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:37 pm to


We two weeks behind da Nethalans, y'all!
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:39 pm to
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The second infection came just two days after her latest round of chemotherapy for a type of non-Hodgkin lymphoma


So her immune system was probably destryoed and somehow became reinfected?
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:39 pm to
An 89 year old woman with cancer has died?

This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 4:40 pm
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:40 pm to
There are two things in the world I can't stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch. - Nigel Powers
Posted by lsusteve1
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:41 pm to
2020
Posted by hubreb
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:42 pm to
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The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of COVID-19 immunity, especially in the absence of an effective vaccine.”


A vaccine is giving someone the virus... stupid is going to stupid....if you can catch it twice... doubtful... vaccines would not work
Posted by 91TIGER
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:43 pm to
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An elderly woman


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89-year-old woman


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who had a rare form of cancer


Is this really something to post, for God's sake the poor woman was 89 with a rare form of cancer. She could have died from a cold.

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but “the two strains differed”


Influenza A and B

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To date, researchers have confirmed only 23 cases of reinfection, but in all prior cases, the patient recovered,



In a world of billions of people

Posted by LSUballs
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:45 pm to
Well you knew this was going to happen when Trump said we was possibly immune since he had already contracted it.
Posted by LSUJML
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:51 pm to
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The unidentified 89-year-old woman — who had a rare form of cancer



Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:09 pm to
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“She was discharged after 5 days and besides some persisting fatigue her symptoms subsided completely,”


so it was a false positive and she never really had covid at all

now she actually gets covid for the first time and they are trying to run with the false narrative and make her patient zero for getting it twice
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:12 pm to
Outside of her chemotherapy and cancer Some having antibody response muted by virus was brought up on OT in past.

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Upon infection, most viruses trigger a vigorous immune response from both arms of the immune system: a lymphoid response and a myeloid response. Interferons released from infected cells trigger the lymphoid response, resulting in antivirus antibodies which bind to and eliminate the virus from the body. T cells are also activated that can recognize and eliminate infected cells.

The myeloid pathway works differently. Myeloid cells attack the virus and the infected cells directly. Some myeloid cells engulf and destroy virus particles, others kill the infected cells directly, and others still induce a protective inflammatory response by release of compounds called cytokines.

The way SARS-2 affects both arms of the immune response is different from other viruses. The lymphoid pathway is muted and the myeloid pathway hyperactive. This helps explain why some people who recover from Covid-19 have very low, sometimes undetectable levels of anti-SARS-2 antibodies, and others have undetectable levels of “neutralizing” antibodies capable of the inactivating virus in laboratory experiments.


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In dampening the antibody response to infection and ramping up production of chemokines, SARS-2 is amplifying what happens to us naturally as our immune systems age. While our ability to mount an effective antibody and T cell response to new infections declines, the myeloid arm of the immune system becomes overactive. These features of the aging immune system account for both the decline in our response to new vaccines and to an increase in inflammatory auto-immune disease such as rheumatoid arthritis.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/27/a-nasty-trick-in-the-covid-repertoire/#696d181c69e6

Nevada case may be similar as well as just being a false positive first time around for the guy reinfected (weeks after first infection retested twice with negative results probably to clear him but article wasn’t clear if he had multiple positive tests before negatives or why 2 negative tests needed & not sure about him having antibody tests). Even if truly infected and virus caused muted antibody response first time around Given worldwide numbers of infections situations are rare. Biggest take I had was just because someone confirmed with a positive virus result versus just considered likely and stayed home for 10 days they shouldn’t automatically assume they have antibodies (because official positive test results)and should get tested antibodies.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 5:54 pm
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:28 pm to
SHUT IT ALL DOWN!!!!
Posted by Shaun176
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:30 pm to
Lymphoma is basically cancer of the immune system.

If serious reinfection was a problem, there would be a 100k cases of it by now not the 2 or 3 cases touted by the media. Over 30 million people have had covid.

A super small percentage of people do not develop immunity from every virus.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:31 pm to
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so it was a false positive and she never really had covid at all

now she actually gets covid for the first time and they are trying to run with the false narrative and make her patient zero for getting it twice


Fauci just came on himself

Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
957 posts
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:33 pm to
If they are able to differentiate two different strains of virus from the two separate episodes I would say this is unlikely a false positive
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 5:42 pm
Posted by Ric Flair
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:35 pm to
Lymphoma—abnormal lymphocytes (the body’s wbc protection against viral infections). Chemo kills the abnormal lymphocytes. Obviously a high risk patient, and not one to model for reinfection.
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:41 pm to
*buys every damn roll of TP for impending lockdown*
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:41 pm to
The Lancet posted a paper yesterday about the reinfection of a 26yo male in the US yesterday if anyone is interested.

The Lancet
Posted by El Magnifico
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:47 pm to
:rollseyes:
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