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During a CPR lesson, the instructor has a heart attack and his students save him

Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:14 pm
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Initially, Karl Arps was just pretending, imitating a patient with chest pain as he tested his emergency medical technician students. But minutes into the March 25 demonstration, the lesson abruptly stopped being a simulation.

Arps — an EMT instructor at Fox Valley Technical College in Appleton, Wisconsin — began gasping for air before losing consciousness. At first, students thought he was still faking it. “I heard him making snoring-sounding respirations. My initial thought was that this was a new symptom,” said Logan Lehrer, 26, a firefighter who is training as an EMT. “About 10 seconds went by and I had a feeling in my stomach this was not part of a scenario, this was starting to feel real.”

In fact, Arps was experiencing a heart attack that led to cardiac arrest. As the practice training became a real emergency, students summoned another instructor for help. They moved Arps out of the mock ambulance and onto the open floor, knowing CPR needs to be performed on a hard surface. Several students took turns doing chest compressions, rotating every two minutes, while another retrieved an automated external defibrillator and someone else called 911. Others cleared space and directed first responders when they arrived.

The students followed the protocol Arps had taught them called the Chain of Survival. By the time paramedics arrived, Arps had regained a pulse. “They followed it to the exact minute,” Arps said. “Like they’re trained to do.” Arps, 72, has worked as an EMT for 25 years and has spent nearly two decades training future first responders. He said he had never been previously diagnosed with heart disease and had not experienced any warning signs — such as shortness of breath or chest pain — leading up to the incident. “I would get tired easily, but I just thought it’s part of getting older,” he said. As the simulation began, Arps remembers feeling slightly dizzy, but he didn’t think anything serious was wrong.

There were about 30 minutes left in class when his heart stopped. “A half an hour later, I’d be driving home,” Arps said. “If it had happened then, forget it.”

Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
54511 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:15 pm to
That's taking "real world applications" to a whole other level by that teacher.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
74669 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:25 pm to
This would have been my go-to response:

Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44656 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:37 pm to
If they weren’t certified yet that is a huge violation.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91938 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:39 pm to
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If they weren’t certified yet that is a huge violation.


yep, should have let him die
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
2900 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:42 pm to
I bet they all passed.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21236 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:44 pm to
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I bet they all passed.


All because their instructor didn't...
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35862 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:45 pm to
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If they weren’t certified yet that is a huge violation.


Violation of what?
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44656 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:17 pm to
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Violation of what?


HIPPA for one.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7960 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:25 pm to
"At first I was afraid, I was petrifiiiied"
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
4661 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:32 pm to
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quote:
Violation of what?


HIPPA for one.

This is superseded by Good Samaritan Laws, which all 50 states have. These laws specifically protect any innocent bystander who attempts to render aid from any criminal or civil action.
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
3722 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:34 pm to
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HIPPA for one.


Posted by LostSnake18
Member since Jan 2008
75 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:35 pm to
HIPAA and no
Posted by Touche Pas Ca
USA
Member since May 2021
54 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:36 pm to
Holy misinformation.

Let me guess, you’re the one who thinks that you have to break ribs in order to do proper CPR?
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
19886 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:41 pm to
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If they weren’t certified yet that is a huge violation.


quote:

HIPPA for one


Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6473 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:42 pm to
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Holy misinformation. Let me guess, you’re the one who thinks that you have to break ribs in order to do proper CPR?


Happens all the time. Especially in geriatric patients. To generate enough compression, you’ve got to push pretty hard.
Posted by UBamaJelly
Member since Jan 2013
205 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:42 pm to
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HIPPA for one.


What? HIPPA relates to protected health information. Not seeing how that would be relevant anywhere here.
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