re: Duke U. surgeons refuse a 14-year-old girl a kidney transplant b/c she's not vaxxed.

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understand the argument for healthy individuals and especially children and teens to not get the vaccine. That isn't the case here

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What is the case here is that she previously contracted and recovered from COVID. That is the single and only point to this. Period.

-Perhaps because of the politicization of Covid-19 vaccines more broadly, the reaction to such decisions is sometimes greeted with outrage. But ethicists and transplant physicians stress that organ allocation has to be partially determined by who can survive and thrive with a scarce resource. With so many people waiting for an organ, clinicians try to maximize the chances of a successful transplant. Hospitals don’t want to allocate an organ to people who are putting themselves at higher risk of dying after a transplant — especially since that organ can’t then go to someone else.

-With Covid-19, the risk of being unvaccinated is particularly stark for transplant recipients, some of whom have a number of comorbidities. They also have to take immunosuppression treatments so their bodies don’t attack the organs, and those drugs contribute to the increased risk of severe illness from the coronavirus. A study based on data from more than 50 transplant centers during the early Covid-19 period found that mortality among hospitalized solid organ transplant recipients was 20.5%

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I'm equally speechless that grown men can refer to refer to themselves as "pureblood" and be completely serious

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Oh geez! First I use it for lack of a better term but it does trigger you so that’s fine, maybe that is the term to use…for a grown assed adult to get their arse chapped over that terminology in the first place would leave me speechless except I have a better vocabulary than you do I suppose, so I will use the term “poon” for your getting triggered.

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Well the main one has two PhDs,

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Medical doctors don't usually get PhDs.


At least not Those who are practicing and board certified to practice.

They don't have the time to waste getting a worthless degree after med school if they want to actually be a medical provider.

administrators get phds

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I can guarantee you that the lack of vaccine is not the only obstacle involved, just the easiest to overcome. It's a shame that we are unable to get the full story bc of HIPAA, because I would lay down a year's salary that the parents are being untruthful.

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Well said

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recipient be vaccinated against any and all things possible before receiving said transplant and subsequently immunosuppressive medication.

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She's had covid.....

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First I use it for lack of a better term

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Maybe go with "unvaxxed" instead of a term used in literature to educate children about bigotry (and used by the antagonists to separate and belittle those they perceive to be beneath them).


But continue to espouse about your grandiose vocabulary...

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And I was simply asking a question. I know people like you who are stuck in one mindset doesn't like people asking questions because it might make you question your beliefs, but I think it is a legit question to ask.. If she needs a kidney and no matter how you feel about it, if the COVID vaccine is required.. Would you rather not take the vaccine and be without a kidney? Me asking questions doesn't mean I am for or against something, it means I try to gather all the information before jumping to conclusions.

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Right. And find another doctor because this doctor is giving COVID brainwashed propaganda excuses to not provide the transplant.

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I’d bet this has more to do with Duke University than a doctor. I’d bet Duke went pretty hard at staff who did not want the shot. Firing some who have probably sued. Leaving them vulnerable if they don’t hold the same line with this kid. North Carolina may only have one transplant hospital. Especially a pediatric case with autoimmune disease.

Also transplant organ procurement is usually a state by state thing with a national database. They may be restricted by their own regulations they put in place at the peak of Covid. If so they’ve turned down somebody else in the last couple years. Someone whose family will sue if they make an exception now.

Clown world. Add Duke to the list.