re: Dudes dropping out of dating game.

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I had a middle eastern ex wife



how you pulled that off?

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He didnt pull it off, *she* chopped it off .

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Old school family is going to have lt step in and play Cupid. Other than that, your kids are going to have a tough time weeding out the tards.

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This. Although asking my divorced parents for help with a date would be a shitshow. My dad would find a OT 8 hairdresser with mental problems, and my mom would find a 200 pound nun.

Sounds like you're covered for Friday and Saturday night...

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Honestly the whole dating game makes me just want to give up. I haven't yet but there are days I'm very close to doing just that.

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Unsolicited advice?

Focus on you.

Every day think about being who you want to be and eliminate things from your life that are negative or holding you back.

Too much alcohol? Cut back
Carrying some extra weight? Eat clean
Bored and staying home all the time? Go have fun

Focus on those items one at a time and try to remember you are the reason for making changes, not to impress some hypothetical woman.

As this happens I think you’ll be surprised as to how your outlook, confidence and prospects change.

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The obesity rate nationally is unfathomable

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There’s enough out there that they should be finding each other

Fat girls with tits that go past their stomach all think they’re hot now

On a more macro level the U.S. is absolutely going where Japan has gone in terms of dating. The amount of young Japanese couples who are married has plummeting and so has their birth rate. Unless they were to relax their stringent citizenship (essentially it's almost impossible to immigrate to Japan) requirements or at least make it easier to be a permanent resident, the Japanese population is going to go off a cliff in the near future. Here's a YouTube video I found very interesting when it comes to dating in Japan:

Why Aren't Japanese Men Interested in Sex?

While Japan is a very different country (much more conservative) than the U.S. I think there are many parallels.

Women by and large have unrealistic expectations. Like others have said here in the U.S. even a IRL 2 or 3 can get a man who is IRL 7 - 8. The 80/20 is very much alive, in fact with online dating it's turned into the 90/10 rule. 90% percent of women will only consider the top 10% of men. What the IRL 2 - 3 women can't understand is that just because they get a IRL 7 - 8 man into bed one night doesn't mean he's going to marry her. For that man she's nothing more than a quick f*ck and probably a f*ck he'll never tell anyone else because he's partially ashamed over settling for a 2 - 3 woman, even for one night. It is not a woman he would even give the time of day to outside of a one night stand.

But because that IRL 2 - 3 woman has gotten a IRL 7 - 8 man into bed a few times, she think she's entitled to that. She doesn't give the IRL 2 - 3 man or even a IRL 4 - 5 man who would genuinely be interested in her the time of day. Those men get friend zoned. And even if she eventually changes her mind, at that point those men are too bitter, so she's simply lost that opportunity.

As others have said here even an ugly grossly overweight woman can still get a one night stand whenever she wants. A growing percentage of men literally though are being locked out of the sex market unless they pay for it.

Online dating is the #1 reason more and more men are being locked out of the sex market. It's taken the fun out of dating and made it more of a job interview. And it's created the crazy "must be 6 feet tall and make $100k requirement" many women have.

Of course other factors include the court system that will utterly destroy a man in a divorce. Most of us would never agree to any business arrangement with a 50% chance of failure, but yet with marriage that's exactly what you're agreeing to.

I do think it's a situation that the U.S. largely ignores and that many boomers and even Gen X are largely unaware of. Many boomers and Gen X will say to just meet offline but that is filled with landmines. It used to be if a man approached a woman at a bar and the woman wasn't interested the man would just get a "No", at worse a giggle or a laugh. Now if the man approaches a woman at a bar and the woman isn't interested a "No" or a laugh is the best case scenario. The woman can easily claim harassment and get you kicked out or even banned from that establishment. A woman could humiliate you by getting her phone out and immediately live streaming (or one of her friends doing it) her rejecting you to the internet. A woman can truly destroy a man nowadays or at least make his life miserable for a good bit.

And that's where the conflict comes in. Women say they still want Men to approach but they give off completely mixed signals. And while women may say they still want men to approach it's become far too risky for most men to do that approach and risk the rejection.

Women want equality but when it comes to the dating game they still want "tradition". They are wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It's creating a situation where many men simply don't know what to do. The rules have changed but no one has told them what the new rules are.

The ball is in women's court. Women have to decide one way or the other:

1) Women and Men are equal in every way meaning the dating rules change. Women can no longer assume Men will approach and take all the risk and Women need to be more comfortable being the one to approach and risk rejection for a change.

2) Men and Woman are not equal in every way but each have their traditional roles. That means Women need to accept they are not equal to Men in every way just like Men are not equal to Women in every way. This would allow Women to continue a traditional dating approach where the Man has to approach but it means we need to go back a generation or two in how we approach relationships between the genders.

Until this happens the dating world is going to continue to be a mess. Men, particularly younger men, won't know what the rules are in terms of dating. Men will be increasingly hesitant to approach Women and date. This will cause Online Dating to continue to be dominant and become the only real option to try to meet Women. More and more men will simply give up. Marriage rates will continue to fall and create an increasingly unstable country.

Get off the internet

Getting to the point of contemplating about a body cam is insane shite

short dude making 80k worried about getting falsely accused lol

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If that's your response, you're right. But why are you worried about those women? Why would you want to be with someone who consciously weeds out men based on height and income. I'm not naive enough to think it isn't happening anyway. That's biology. But a woman that dismisses you because of height and income is someone you don't want anyway. What a shallow human being.

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I haven’t read this whole thread, but a lot of dudes should really take this to heart.

My wife has a single friend who is very open about needing a significant other in the 6-6-6 category (as in 6 feet, 6 figures, and 6 inches). A few years ago when I first heard it, it was funny. Now after watching all of her vapid relationships flame out, I’m mostly sad for her.