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re: Dr. Fauci pours cold water on Fox and Friends' insistence of hydroxychloroquine cure
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:57 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:57 am to Street Hawk
Are we again splitting hairs between using HCQ early on and not starting it until a patient is close to death?
If you start it early it works but if you start it late it doesn’t. Fauci is being cautious because it doesn’t work well once a person is in really bad shape. So it’s not a end all be all “cure”. But it has benefits when it’s started early.
It’s like saying cancer treatments don’t work because stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients died in a study.
It’s going to become Covid’s “tamiflu” in that you get a 5 minute test and start it immediately. But if you wait too long to start using it then it doesn’t work.
If you start it early it works but if you start it late it doesn’t. Fauci is being cautious because it doesn’t work well once a person is in really bad shape. So it’s not a end all be all “cure”. But it has benefits when it’s started early.
It’s like saying cancer treatments don’t work because stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients died in a study.
It’s going to become Covid’s “tamiflu” in that you get a 5 minute test and start it immediately. But if you wait too long to start using it then it doesn’t work.
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:57 am to The Boat
This is based on your experience as a medical doctor, right?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:58 am to Unknown_Poster
Yes
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:10 pm to Rebel
quote:The same could be said of the president.
Do you need a circus mirror to capture your full image?
Jan 27th - “Americans have nothing to worry about” - Dr Fauci
Dr Fauci , Don’t wear masks. 2 weeks later Do wear masks.
Fauci isn’t helping anyone. He is causing more chaos in an already chaotic ordeal.
Jan 22 - "We have it totally under control."
Feb 26 - "The fifteen cases within a couple of days is going to down close to zero."
Mar 6 - Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful. They are perfect just like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
Mar 8 - "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on the Caronavirus."
Mar 10 - "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:21 pm to martiallaw
quote:Because to admit that the emperor has no clothes would be to admit that they were duped too. They have no choice but to be a dead-ender unless they want to admit their own intellectual limitations. That applies across the board, left and right.
It's amazing how people who I deemed intelligent can't see that they are being brainwashed. Doesn't matter if it's CNN or FOX. Both use fear as their ammo. I don't understand how people can't stand back and look at the issue from a new paradigm. If they did they would see how absurd everything is. People now form their opinions and even facts solely based on what side they are on and what leader they worship.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:22 pm to The Boat
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Are we again splitting hairs between using HCQ early on and not starting it until a patient is close to death?
If you start it early it works but if you start it late it doesn’t.
I really hope it helps and some signs seem to indicate that it may.
However, that 95% of people testing positive for the virus go home and recover by taking nothing but Tylenol and Mucinex, makes one think those medicines could also 95% success rates in a study treating cases before there is any symptom.
You can forgive people for thinking any medicine which merits the level of hype this is getting may actually show better numbers in treating the people serious enough to be hospitalized.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:26 pm to BRIllini07
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Problem here: Early in the disease path, 95%+ of the people would have recovered anyway, with or without the drug. Even if the drug did nothing, 19 out of 20 people would be around to tell the story of how it helped. When that many people would have recovered to begin with, it takes a large data set to really dig down on what the drug did or did not do.
Of course, we don't have the time to do that study, so we have to shoot from the hip a bit. And, since the drug is generally safe, no reason not to try it. I do find it disheartening a bit that the CDC/FDA/etc.. seem to be having a tough time switching to emergency mode.
Agreed. It’s misleading for Fox or whomever else to keep trying to hammer home testimonials, it creates this illusion that there’s something there when there might not be. The average Joe can’t separate real studies showing the effect a particular drug has over testimonials from someone who says it works. That’s why people take and do all sorts of crazy things like magnet bracelets and gobbling spoonfuls of turmeric and such.
If the drug is safe I guess let the people have their placebo to at least satiate the fear and panic. Preface it with "this probably won’t do anything but you’re welcome to give it a shot" but sometimes that’s better than arguing with them. And the placebo effect is still a real one, even if the drug itself isn’t doing anything the hope it generates can help get the person through the ailment.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:27 pm to BuckyCheese
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If Fauci would communicate a bit better he wouldn't get people so wound up.
He communicates just fine for those that don't need everything explained to them like a 5 year old. He deals with facts and science which somehow has become "too difficult" for some adults to understand. These people would rather stick to name calling, insults, and of course blaming someone or something else.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:28 pm to wm72
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However, that 95% of people testing positive for the virus go home and recover by taking nothing but Tylenol and Mucinex, makes one think those medicines could also 95% success rates in a study treating cases before there is any symptom.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:39 pm to Powerman
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This will upset a lot of dumb people
And will be celebrated and pushed politically by even more dumb people.
If Trump hadn't pushed this (or the similar one) as a possibility the same Leftists would be saying he wasn't doing enough with this medicine and should be pushing to lessen regulatory slow downs. They are already pushing that quick roll out of tests are creating false negative test results. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Most don't think it's a cure. He is right to be cautious, and he is not completely dismissing study or a possible benefit. There is practicing doctor's treatment of their patients in front of them and there is overall health policy set up by doctors or other experts to slow & stop spread which Includes not getting people overly exited labeling something a miracle cure that may stop them from following safe practices.
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So although there is some suggestion with the study that was just mentioned by Dr. Oz—granted that there is a suggestion that there is a benefit there—I think we’ve got to be careful that we don’t make that majestic leap to assume that this is a knockout drug.”
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:54 pm to Street Hawk
He also said he's fine with doctors prescribing it. And said it was good that doctors in Spain were using it.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:04 pm to RobbBobb
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So the data on the mortality rate doesn't reflect a reason for a national lockdown. But models do. So hes really not in favor of hard data in every case? Right?
But he insists on hard data before a Dr should attempt a demonstrated positive treatment. He refuses to accept the computer modeled benefits of this?
So you think the quality of data and evidence that supports the entire world shutting down to prevent the Pandemic spreading faster is the same as the quality of data supporting the hydroxychloroquine cure? You must be a special kind of moron to equate the two.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:05 pm to Street Hawk
I have taken hydroxychloroquine since 2012. My mom told me yesterday that's Laura Someboy's Medicine Cabinet (some group of doctors on Fox news) said people like me that were on it don't have to worry about catching COVID-19. I told her this board told me that a week and a half ago. #TrumpDrug
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:08 pm to Street Hawk
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Dr. Fauci
"Ego is the Anesthesia That Deadens the Pain of Stupidity"
We don't have the time for the extensive studies that Drs. in the swamp insist we must have to say anything positive.
If I get covid I'll gladly be one of those "dumb people" that take hydroxychloroquine.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:15 pm to Street Hawk
quote:No. Actually the data supporting use of hydroxychloroquine is hard data. It is BETTER than their pie in the sky predictions which has shut down the greatest economy the world has ever known.
So you think the quality of data and evidence that supports the entire world shutting down to prevent the Pandemic spreading faster is the same as the quality of data supporting the hydroxychloroquine cure?
quote:That is your opinion and since I have zero fuks given about the opinion of an idiot (you, just in case you are having trouble understanding) I'll consider it a badge of honor for you to call me a moron, special at that.
You must be a special kind of moron to equate the two.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:16 pm to martiallaw
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He communicates just fine for those that don't need everything explained to them like a 5 year old.
Well, unfortunately the majority of the population needs the "explain it to me like I'm 5" deal.
Just look how many clowns bought 2 years supply of TP the past couple weeks.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:19 pm to dgnx6
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He also said he's fine with doctors prescribing it. And said it was good that doctors in Spain were using it.
Agree.
All he was saying, to anyone, is that it may not be a magic bullet just yet.
People want him to say that it is a cure-all and he's not ready to make a blanket statement like that.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:22 pm to MoarKilometers
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You failed to mention if they were a dentist, chiropractor, or podiatrist. Perhaps it was a plastic surgeon. Details seem to not matter when using anecdotal "evidence" to support your position
He was a medical doctor, she works in a hospital pharmacy.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:23 pm to chinese58
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I have taken hydroxychloroquine since 2012. My mom told me yesterday that's Laura Someboy's Medicine Cabinet (some group of doctors on Fox news) said people like me that were on it don't have to worry about catching COVID-19. I told her this board told me that a week and a half ago. #TrumpDrug
Same here. Have you tried to refill it yet? I’m good until May, but fully expect problems refilling.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:24 pm to PearlJam
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She should probably replace Dr. Fauci. The anecdotal, third hand info from a pharmacy tech is compelling.
My wife wasn’t claiming medical knowledge, only passing on what she had witnessed, and I simply retold the story.
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