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re: Dr. Charles Stanley has passed
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:40 pm to Taurus
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:40 pm to Taurus
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But Romanists can't judge either with sell of indulgences.
Just passing through to remind everyone that the Catholic church has never allowed the selling of indulgences. You could never “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences that led to Martin Luther protesting was in relation to indulgences where alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the reason to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of them.
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:44 pm to Stitches
Now folks, what we have heya is a failya to communikate.
The sell of indulgences is 100% true. Fact. By the romanist church. Why they added to the Bible a few years later too. Fact.
The sell of indulgences is 100% true. Fact. By the romanist church. Why they added to the Bible a few years later too. Fact.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:46 pm to KingBarkus
That’s terrible to hear. Have watched his InTouch sermons off and on over the years. RIP.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:54 pm to L.A.
quote:Was underrated in his movie debut.
It also caused a rift between Charles and his son Andy
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:55 pm to Taurus
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The sell of indulgences is 100% true. Fact. By the romanist church. Why they added to the Bible a few years later too. Fact.
Ah, you must be one of those grossly misinformed fundamentalists with a warped understanding of actual history.
A quick Google of official Church doctrine will show that the Catholic church does not, nor has it ever, allowed the outright selling/buying of indulgences.
Also, the Catholic church decided the Canon of scripture at the councils of Hippo and Carthage in the 4th-ish century. That's right, the Bible is a Catholic book.
Martin Luther removed the Deuterocanonical books, plus parts of Daniel and Esther, when he made his German translation. He also tried removing Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation, but left them in due to a lot of pushback.
When the Catholic Church convened the Council of Trent, it didn't add anything to the Bible. It simply infallibly stated that the books which had been part of the Bible for over 1100 years were in fact the correct books, including those Martin Luther removed from his German translation. This was actually a direct response to Luther removing these books from the Canon.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:05 pm to RobbBobb
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I missed that. Were the reasons disclosed?
My understanding was she didn’t want to be a pastor’s wife well after he was into it.
He fought it until the end and there was no abuse or infidelity (from her mouth.)
I think her affirmation of his character is the only reason that he got to remain a pastor.
In our church, our worship minister’s wife cheated on him and wanted to leave him. He refused the divorce and fought it. She said he was fine and didn’t do anything wrong, she just wanted to be married to the wealthier Dr. she had an affair with.
Our church let him stay in staff after a time. Her new husband cheated on her with one of his nurses and left her. The worship minister started a side gig of construction and became a millionaire.
Whoops.
Random church divorce story but I always enjoy telling it. Back to Stanley, I’m grateful for his service to the Church but hope he was ashamed of his son and grateful for the rest of his ministry.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:14 pm to Stitches
OK. Not the time or place to argue your romanist poop sticks. This thread will either get whacked or anchored.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:24 pm to Taurus
I'm not arguing, I'm just stating facts.....actual facts. I bid you adieu good sir.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 12:18 am to KingBarkus
Well dang. Now I feel bad about deleting the 76 episodes my Dad had on the DVR to make room for an Astros game.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 6:42 am to KingBarkus
I began listening to his youtubes a couple months ago he taught me a lot and got me through a rough time. Didnt know he was 90. Great man and servant of God.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:34 am to The Cool No 9
He was a great preacher. Great delivery, great content.
He wasn't catholic, why is this happening in this thread?
He wasn't catholic, why is this happening in this thread?
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:42 am to 3nOut
he had a GF here in BR, very pretty, fit older lady... he had forgotten his nasal spray back home and needed to transfer it, so he came into the Walgreens in BR I was working at once, so i helped him out with that... being I grew up with a Southern Baptist preacher grandfather, i knew exactly who he was, and even though by that time i wasn't what i would consider a born again believer, it was a honor to meet the man, and he was nice as all get out, so it was a cool experience...
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:44 am to KingBarkus
Hopefully his son can fall back into line after this from his heretical ways, but I doubt it.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:56 am to parrothead
It's clear from the comments that most of y'all have never actually listened to Andy Stanley speak. As someone who went to one of his churches for 7 years, I can tell you that he is an amazing pastor and leader who absolutely loves God, and the people in his churches.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 8:05 am to DrewDawg13
Hate to break it to you, but any preacher that tries to “unhitch” from the old testament his without a doubt a heretic. I’m sorry you spent 7 years there, and I’m sure it felt great hearing prosperity gospel for so long. Hopefully you’ve found yourself elsewhere at this point. Actually saw him preach on Easter 2016 and it blew my mind there wasn’t even a real gospel conversation.
Here’s a quote from that sermon:
What does that even mean? How can you talk about the resurrection and not include Old Testament prophecy and you know, the books of the Bible where it was recorded.
Since you spent 7 years there, I assume you know about this
Here’s a quote from that sermon:
quote:
In 2016, in his Easter Sunday message, Stanley said, “If you said to me one-on-one, Andy, I’m not a Christian ... but I’m going to let you take your best shot at convincing me to follow Jesus’--Here’s what I wouldn’t do ... I wouldn’t try to convince you with the Bible. ... I would start with the resurrection of Jesus without the Bible.”
What does that even mean? How can you talk about the resurrection and not include Old Testament prophecy and you know, the books of the Bible where it was recorded.
Since you spent 7 years there, I assume you know about this
This post was edited on 4/19/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/19/23 at 8:07 am to DrewDawg13
Whatever. He's no Bishop TD Jakes.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 8:15 am to KingBarkus
He was a fantastic Pastor. I've listened to him for over 20 years. He was incredibly instrumental in my journey to Christ.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 8:57 am to Pettifogger
Exactly. 
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:24 am to parrothead
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parrothead
So the article and the sermon you are talking about, I am very aware of both.
I was at the service where he said this and I one hundred percent agree with him. When trying to talk to someone who is not familiar with Jesus, you talk about Jesus and his life and death and resurrection, not try to to hammer someone over the head with old testament scripture that they will likely not understand.
The article is one person's interpretation of what Andy Stanley said, and it's someone who I don't care for at all. Which it seems like you don't care for Andy, which is perfectly fine, but to paint him as a heretic is beyond ridiculous.
I loved every minute of my 7 years there, and would still be attending if I hadn't moved to a different state.
If you think Andy Stanley is prosperity gospel and in the same realm of Osteen and so many others, than you clearly have not truly listened to Andy at all. No need to feel sorry for me at all, but thanks for your concern!
Posted on 4/19/23 at 4:22 pm to LSUGrrrl
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a seeker-sensitive megachurch that would grow to more than 40,000 people.
What is this?
I'm not 100% positive.
I know that Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in California is usually given as the typical example of a seeker sensitive church. And I think he got the idea from Jack Hyles' church in Indiana. My understanding is that it's a person-centered, rather than God-centered, worship experience. I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation.
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