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re: Don't talk to women. Don't look at women. Got it.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:54 am to OKellsBells
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:54 am to OKellsBells
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It’s always best to keep your hands off of other people’s pants at a work party.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:58 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Your forum handle is 32 29 36. And you claim you don't want attention? Lies.
You do realize that 32 29 36 is by no means a perfect skinny body. It’s the body of an average sized woman. It’s a statement that I’m happy with the person I am and I think that being healthy is important.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:11 pm to 32 29 36
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You do realize that 32 29 36 is by no means a perfect skinny body. It’s the body of an average sized woman. It’s a statement that I’m happy with the person I am and I think that being healthy is important.
And here I thought it was a superficial user name that only brought attention to your physical attributes. Now we know differently, using your measurements just means you're healthy and not at all an attention whore.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:13 pm to Jimbeaux
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I thought women wanted to be treated as equals to men.
No me. I expect special treatment. I want doors opened/held open, I like it when men order my meals for me at nice restaurants. When I go through all the trouble of making my boobs appear perky and put them on display, you damn well better look. I put on make-up, fix my hair, shower and make sure I smell pretty for the men at work, the least they can do is acknowledge. As for hugs, I expect full-on, full-frontal lingering hugs.
I understand not all people are like this, and that's fine, but don't make it sound that all women consider hugs assault or that they are always sexual. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:38 pm to 32 29 36
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Has nothing to do with being weak. It’s either you submit to the unwanted contact or you become known as a b****.
You’re probably a great person with lots to offer, but the above polemical statement makes you look very weak.
1) Why are you so upset about a little human to human contact that’s practically universal in its meaning as a gesture of good will?
2) Why don’t you have the ability to tell people what you’re thinking without weaponizing it or coming across as bitchy?
Just try, “Hey, you know what, I’m not into giving hugs.”
Expect a little push back, because people are looking for validation in their greetings, so you’ll need to be prepared to do something or say something to make up for your rebuff.
That’s the world. That’s what it means to live in a civil society.
If you aren’t prepared to be courteous and show validation, then maybe you aren’t just being thought of as a bitch, maybe you’re actually acting like one.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:42 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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not at all an attention whore.
Not everything is about someone else. Most of what I do everyday (my hair, if I wear makeup, wearing dresses with heels) that’s not about someone else. It’s about feeling good for myself.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:51 pm to 32 29 36
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It has more to do with the fact that I shouldn’t have to continually tell men I don’t want you to hug me...or to have to push them away. But I do....I push them off or tell them to stop. Unfortunately that then makes me the “fing b****” and that becomes how people see me. Not the woman who has 4 degrees and has worked her a** off to get where she is. Just the stupid b**** who won’t have any fun. It shouldn’t be one or the other.
You still keep pushing men. You will admit you don’t want women to hug you, but you first and foremost push the evil man hugger theory. Do you include gay men in this?
In my experience women are the ones being more touchy feely in plutonic work situations and friendships with both sexes, but I am not sure if you are talking 100% work or social context or a mix for yourself. I known OP is work related while in a more social setting but still work sponsored, but I am not as sure with your comments.
To be honest for work if your self esteem allowed you wouldn’t care if you were seen as a f’ing b**** with co-workers on this.
If this is in social situations are you usually the only person in group having such a huge issue with hug greetings? You don’t seem that huggable, and unless everyone in group kind of embrace a little when greeting socially it doesn’t seem like it would be a repeated action by people you think already consider you to be the person who doesn’t want to have any fun. The lack of showing that you are huggable would limit how often someone tried when meeting you for first time. Even so why over think it if you don’t or if you do unless it ends up being an actual assault why think about it at all. You can still show you are personable and fun outside of hugs. You may use this a crutch to not see that you really aren’t that friendly, social, or fun in first place as you can just blame it all on people not thinking you are fun because you didn’t hug.
If it’s work and against policy file a complaint and be strong enough knowing you are in the right. If it’s social and an assault file a charge. If it’s not an assault but you keep hanging around huggers then find friends who like You view hug greetings as wrong for men and women. That should be easy for someone with 4 degrees. If it’s a little bit due to some personal reason than get enough help to be able to objectively tell if you might be lumping together regular hugs with assaults, and if you chose to not have regular hugs to quit judging those that do and also to not immediately think not hugging has doomed you to being labeled as no fun (or caring about this label by others in first place).
I am not a hugger, but i don’t dwell on times when someone overrode my hand extending to give me some type of hug. I would like to think every women who was a little touchy with me or who pushed their breasts into me a little during a hug did so with sexual intent, but actually thinking this would reflect more often on me than on them.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 1:18 pm to dallastigers
It’s both work and social situations alike. I’m absolutely not saying that every guy that hugs me is having sexual thoughts. And I’m not saying men are evil.....I don’t think most men realize how uncomfortable a hug/touching of the arm/etc. can make a woman. That’s the point in the open dialogue.
The typical hug I get from a guy isn’t a “dude” hug. Where he comes in and maybe pats my back...maybe 2 seconds. It’s typically longer, involves close contact where they practically pull me to them, their hand on my lower back, I’ve even had guys I barely know put their head between my neck and hair, etc. That makes me uncomfortable. So...I’d prefer not hug at all than deal with that.
The typical hug I get from a guy isn’t a “dude” hug. Where he comes in and maybe pats my back...maybe 2 seconds. It’s typically longer, involves close contact where they practically pull me to them, their hand on my lower back, I’ve even had guys I barely know put their head between my neck and hair, etc. That makes me uncomfortable. So...I’d prefer not hug at all than deal with that.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 1:27 pm to genro
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how to read a situation
a lot of men and women dont know how to do this and zig when they should've zagged when it comes to workplace flirting.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 1:45 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Compliment women... sexual harassment
Ignore women... PATRIARCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Ignore women... PATRIARCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:07 pm to 32 29 36
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The typical hug I get from a guy isn’t a “dude” hug. Where he comes in and maybe pats my back...maybe 2 seconds. It’s typically longer, involves close contact where they practically pull me to them, their hand on my lower back, I’ve even had guys I barely know put their head between my neck and hair, etc.
Geez. In what industry do you work? I’ve literally never had a guy hug me like that in a professional setting. This might say more about my bangability than my work environment, but I can’t imagine.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:50 pm to Evil Little Thing
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In what industry do you work?
I work in healthcare. But, even before I worked in healthcare it happened in other positions as well.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:52 pm to fightin tigers
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You taking side hugs from dudes?
Exactly. A rule of thumb is be careful doing anything that you wouldn't want another dude to do to you in prison.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:14 pm to lsuwontonwrap
More accurately, don’t be an ugly, creepy mofo when approaching women.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 2:32 pm to fightin tigers
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It might be a hard concept, but don't touch your coworkers.
There is actually no reason to do so.
She needed to tell him to stop, if she did and he continued then frick yeah it is harassment.
That is all true, common sense. However, today it has become a touchy (no pun intended) issue. People today are filing complaints on almost anything they 'perceive' as flirtious, even if there was zero intent. Then at my last office, we had a butch decide she wanted to become a man, so she was allowed access to the men's room. As you could guess, the men were upset with this, but nothing we could say and she was just waiting for anyone to say something so she could complain. Today, especially for alpha men (what's left of them), you have to walk on eggshells in an office. Sad part is that most offices today are filling up with soy boys, just as sensitive as the women. I was in an office for 39 years before I just retired back in April- I could write a book on what I did and got away with over the years in the office but would get me fired on the spot today or have charges pressed against me. It was a different era back in the 80's, even into the 90's, women were different and liked the attention...
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 2:35 pm
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