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re: Does the Garden of Eden Still Exist?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:11 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:11 am to SallysHuman
The garden of Eden was supposed to be between the Tigris and Euphrates along with 2 other rivers which no longer exist. The people who live where these 2 rivers meet today are marsh Arabs who live on boats made of reeds. It’s largely marsh land today. I’ve often wondered if the garden once rested in this area when the region was different.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:17 am to SallysHuman
Accidently ended up there on a drunk night in Key West. Personally, I would not suggest it. Top floor had tons of dudes dancing together and it was "clothing optional". and most there took the option not to be clothed
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:23 am to OweO
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I don't think its possible that the population on earth came from 1 man and 1 woman.
It didn't. Genesis 1 is about creation overall and speaks that man & woman were created simultaneously.
Genesis 2 is about what took place in the Garden.
So when Adam & Eve were kicked out of the Garden there were already other humans on the Earth, but those humans were not the Chosen people.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:38 am to SallysHuman
The garden of Eden was renamed Augusta National.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:42 am to JGTiger
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The garden of Eden was renamed Augusta National.
Yuck.
I'm steering far clear of Augusta this week...
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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That’s a fairy tale too.
Not gonna argue with ya, MJ. Let's just say that there is a whole lot more geological evidence for a global flood than there is for a 4.6 billion-year-old earth.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:02 am to SallysHuman
It’s in Missouri according to the Mormons.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:02 am to SallysHuman
I always thought that the "Garden still exists" concept would make a fantastic back drop for an Indian Jones movie.
I'd be interested to see how that played out.
I'd be interested to see how that played out.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:32 am to Globetrotter747
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Culture and the fear of death are powerful things. I’m glad they don’t shackle my mind, though.
Context is the underpinning factor (Proximity / place, in particular). Too many have lived their entire lives in a very small radius (literal geography and figurative echo chamber social environments).
Of US 45 ish % of its citizens having Passports, 10-15% are estimated for the Deep South states. World views are more sensitive to social media influence. More narrow the radius, the more disproportionate the over confidence in their own discourse.
Keep on keeping on…shackle-less across all corners of our world! Travel safe.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:44 am to Swamp Angel
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Let's just say that there is a whole lot more geological evidence for a global flood than there is for a 4.6 billion-year-old earth.
Moreso than God’s chemistry (ie, natural clock of Radioactive decay)? Constant, measurable and nil disagreement on its date stamp efficacy?
I found it liberating when I changed my mindset…
FROM: attempting to find the right answers to the “mysteries” of life (that warrant faith) (eg, age of Earth not congruent with Bible).
TO: accepting that what are the answers, what we see are the answers (eg, age of Earth is 4.6B yo) and seek to find the right questions. How creationism co-exists in a 4.6B yo Earth? Took away some friction of the man made arguments of evolution vs creation for me. Clearer understanding.
The latter was a cleaner/clearer path to God for me. The former was full of dead ends and man made road blocks.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:47 am to SallysHuman
God is an alien and the garden of eden is his space ship and lab where he created humans.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 9:57 am to Tigers2287
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Antiquities of the Jews says they had 23 daughters and 33 sons.
Even in fantasy land, this is nearly biologically impossible, and the chances of surviving that many births without modern medicine is so statistically improbable that it may as well be impossible. Even if each pregnancy were twins, that's 26 pregnancies.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:42 am to SallysHuman
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They were degenerate heathens
You lived in a city, state, or country that was mostly “heathens”? I don’t think that’s true. Your family might have been nonbelievers, but I doubt that’s true of your culture.
Nearly all people conform to the religion of their immediate family or their surrounding culture.
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Traveling the world in the 2000s doesn't exactly give you a bird's eye view into weather conditions millennia ago.
Yes, it does.
Do you think Delicate Arch in Utah, which was slowly created by erosion, would be around if a global flood had happened some 4,000 years ago? Do you think the ecosystem that thrived in a tropical climate around the equator and then drifted to about 35 degrees latitude to northern Arizona to create the Petrified Forest all happened in the last few thousand years?
Most people don’t think about these things because they don’t get out and see the world. Most Christians don’t even take the time to go see places of extreme importance to their faith.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:49 am to SallysHuman
Prior to the accidental discovery of agriculture the entire Earth was a Garden of Eden.
It was truly a Paradise. People wandered to and fro without a nare of responsibility. No wants, no needs. Everything that was needed was provided.
Then someone noticed that the seeds of a fruit that they threw on the ground many weeks prior had sprouted into the tree that gave the same fruit .
And that ended the Garden of Eden.
The person who noticed that the discarded seeds would provide more fruit got the idea that they could set up a stand and barter began. Then record keeping became a necessity with a written language. Land ownership then followed and so on.
People corrupted God's Plan.
It was truly a Paradise. People wandered to and fro without a nare of responsibility. No wants, no needs. Everything that was needed was provided.
Then someone noticed that the seeds of a fruit that they threw on the ground many weeks prior had sprouted into the tree that gave the same fruit .
And that ended the Garden of Eden.
The person who noticed that the discarded seeds would provide more fruit got the idea that they could set up a stand and barter began. Then record keeping became a necessity with a written language. Land ownership then followed and so on.
People corrupted God's Plan.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:54 am to SantaFe
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The person who noticed that the discarded seeds would provide more fruit got the idea that they could set up a stand and barter began.
Bartering came well before commercialized agriculture
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:57 am to cssamerican
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Genesis 7:23 - He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, human beings and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left and those with him in the ark.
It sure looks like it does say.
It doesn't say anything about plants.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:59 am to SallysHuman
Big global flood. You probably read about it.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:28 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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Moreso than God’s chemistry (ie, natural clock of Radioactive decay)? Constant, measurable and nil disagreement on its date stamp efficacy?
I don't intend to stir the pot here, so to speak. It's always counterproductive to argue simply for the sake of being stubborn or salvaging pride, and I don't expect that you would present an argument and simply double down out of in innate stubbornness either.
Just a quick note regarding the underlined portion from your quote above - Have you looked closely into the certainty that radioactive decay is constant, that it is accurate, and that there are no disagreements with it?
There are major disagreements in the age of a single specimen presented for radioactive dating at different labs, and even retested at the same lab. Further problems with radioactive dating is the fact that a presumption is made that all of the element found in a sample into which the radioactive would decay is attributed to the decay of that radioactive isotope. The fact that some of that non-radioactive element existed in that sample at the outset and is not a result of radioactive decay is not necessarily considered by the testing lab.
There are many issues and disagreements over the accuracy of radioactive dating whether using Carbon-14, Uranium 238/235, Potassium-40, or any number of other radioactive elements that decay into stable isotopes of another element.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:44 am to Swamp Angel
Hear you / agree on stirring pot is not productive.
Appreciate your counter point (my ‘nil’ certainly not equal to your ‘major disagreement’).
4,600,000,000 years vs 6,000 years —
Like, that major?
Really just to say that I have found greater clarity and a less ‘friction’ path to God by accepting God’s creation with my eyes than I ever did with Bible interpretation. God speaks in reality far more clearly to me than through those interpretive words. Just worked for me.
Worked 30 years in geology-related oil & gas. God’s Earth is pretty amazing. And it’s old.
Appreciate your counter point (my ‘nil’ certainly not equal to your ‘major disagreement’).
4,600,000,000 years vs 6,000 years —
Like, that major?
Really just to say that I have found greater clarity and a less ‘friction’ path to God by accepting God’s creation with my eyes than I ever did with Bible interpretation. God speaks in reality far more clearly to me than through those interpretive words. Just worked for me.
Worked 30 years in geology-related oil & gas. God’s Earth is pretty amazing. And it’s old.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 11:48 am
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