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re: Does the Garden of Eden Still Exist?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:49 am to Everyday Is Saturday
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:49 am to Everyday Is Saturday
You earned the upvote for intellectual honesty, for sure!
As I grow older, I find that I'm more apt to find the 6,000 years every bit as believable as 4.6 billion. Both beliefs rely upon an individual's faith to accept them as legitimate.
And, as much as there is a lot of discrepancy in radioactive dating, there is probably twice that amount in the interpretation of scripture as many (if not most) folks work diligently to interpret scripture in a manner that best fits their world views as opposed to adjusting their world views to align with scripture.
Thanks for the comments and your engagement. I think we're in 100% agreement that God's Earth is indeed pretty amazing.
As I grow older, I find that I'm more apt to find the 6,000 years every bit as believable as 4.6 billion. Both beliefs rely upon an individual's faith to accept them as legitimate.
And, as much as there is a lot of discrepancy in radioactive dating, there is probably twice that amount in the interpretation of scripture as many (if not most) folks work diligently to interpret scripture in a manner that best fits their world views as opposed to adjusting their world views to align with scripture.
Thanks for the comments and your engagement. I think we're in 100% agreement that God's Earth is indeed pretty amazing.
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:28 pm to SallysHuman
Globetrotter747 and SFP should get together and see who's "smartest". They both stench of "know-it-all-ness"
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:29 pm to 4x4tiger
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Globetrotter747 and SFP should get together and see who's "smartest". They both stench of "know-it-all-ness"
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:46 pm to SallysHuman
Do you really believe the universe was created in 6 days too?
And do you think evolution is junk science?
How about dinosaurs, are they not real?
And do you think evolution is junk science?
How about dinosaurs, are they not real?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:48 pm to diehard24
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Do you really believe the universe was created in 6 days too?
Yes
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And do you think evolution is junk science?
Not necessarily- but I do not believe we came from primordial ooze.
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How about dinosaurs, are they not real?
Why wouldn’t they be?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:48 pm to 4x4tiger
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As I grow older, I find that I'm more apt to find the 6,000 years every bit as believable as 4.6 billion. Both beliefs rely upon an individual's faith to accept them as legitimate.
Faith is a poor word choice and is only used when a subject infringes upon someone’s religious beliefs. To me, geology is no different from any other science.
It’s a matter of evidence, not faith.
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Globetrotter747 and SFP should get together and see who's "smartest". They both stench of "know-it-all-ness"
You can learn a lot when you read more than the Bible and venture outside your native region.
Christians just observed Easter, but I bet many have never heard of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:52 pm to Globetrotter747
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It’s a matter of evidence, not faith.
Like Lee Strobe, even...
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:54 pm to SallysHuman
So you think plants were created before the sun and the moon? Or the fact there was light before stars and the sun were created?
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:58 pm to diehard24
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So you think plants were created before the sun and the moon? Or the fact there was light before stars and the sun were created?
There was light. Plants are all good.
So you think we have a common ancestor with apes? Or that we crawled out of pond scum?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 1:59 pm to OweO
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I don't think its possible that the population on earth came from 1 man and 1 woman.
Does the bible say how many kids they had? I know of the two brothers.. Cain and Abel, but the brothers needed to have sisters to breed with right? In order for me to believe that's what happened, I need more information.
Genesis 5:4:
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 2:04 pm to UpToPar
Well, when you lived as long as Adam and Eve did, it is very possible.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 2:21 pm to yakster
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when you lived as long as Adam and Eve
Also not possible.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 2:52 pm to Globetrotter747
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t’s a matter of evidence, not faith.
What do you think faith is? It's not like believing in the Tooth Fairy.
"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
So faith is:
1) Substance. Not some ethereal mist.
2) Evidence. Not simply hearsay or supposing something is true.
Furthermore, "things hoped for" doesn't mean you're hoping for it like a national championship or a winning lottery ticket. "Hoped for" in this instance means fully expected.
And to revisit "evidence of things not seen - Does modern science not currently believe in "dark matter"? This term "dark matter" appears all over the place in scientific discussions regarding the cosmos and space exploration. It's invisible, it's largely undefined, but there is evidence that it exists according to the scientific community.
Judging by your closing comments, I have my doubts as to whether you have any better grasp of Christianity than you have of faith.
I would submit that your faith in science is based upon shakier presuppositions that are founded on very unscientific methods. Those who proclaim to be "scientifically minded" have based their beliefs of the age of the cosmos and of the earth upon claims that are unsubstantiated and have not undergone the scrutiny required to be "scientific." The claims for a cosmic age of somewhere around 14 billion years are made without experimentation that provides constant, predictable, and reliable results. Thus, your belief in science is no more than faith in something unproven and only arrived at by supposition - not experimentation and not observable fact.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:39 pm to UpToPar
In your finite mind it is not. Because of limited ability to think outside of what is normal now. But that is caused by the affects of sin on mankind which is also explained in the Bible.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:40 pm to Swamp Angel
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"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
So faith is:
1) Substance. Not some ethereal mist.
2) Evidence. Not simply hearsay or supposing something is true.
That may be your definition of faith, but that's not the commonly accepted definition and certainly not the definition of the poster you were responding to.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:52 pm to SallysHuman
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There was light. Plants are all good.
It took 1-10 million years (possibly much longer) for some of those plants to turn into crude oil…accumulation, burial, breakdown into hydrocarbons and migration into reservoirs…a long time!
No faith required in that. Just evidence. And I think leads to God just the same.
I have found flipping mindset…to starting with God’s answers (Earth is billions of years old) and then finding the right questions, versus the other way around that is required in Bible, is more clear path to God for me. Too much interpretation as captured in Bible.
Don’t fall for man-made evolution vs creation arguments that lead all astray. Seems like the answers get me to right creation questions way more effectively.
Everytime you pump fuel into your vehicle, have faith that God created your fuel from some of those plants and evidently did so over millions of years.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:40 pm to SallysHuman
Pretty sure the Bible clearly says that everything was destroyed, but Noah and his family.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 3:49 am to Swamp Angel
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What do you think faith is? It's not like believing in the Tooth Fairy.
No one uses the term “faith” to describe interpretations of scientific evidence that have nothing to do with anyone’s religion.
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The claims for a cosmic age of somewhere around 14 billion years are made without experimentation that provides constant, predictable, and reliable results.
The Sun is about 93 million miles from Earth. It takes about 8 minutes for its light to reach us.
The Andromeda Galaxy is about 2.5 million light years from Earth. It takes about 2.5 million years for its light to reach us. For a light beam from Andromeda to be seen from Earth in a Universe that is only 10,000 years old is not possible.
Both Earth and the Universe are ancient.
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