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re: Do you know any teachers who work a 2nd job?

Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:46 pm to
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:46 pm to
Isn't there a built in raise every year on the salary schedule?
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:49 pm to
Ive got a buddy who teaches at an elementary school full time, is on staff at a church, and teaches music lessons on the side.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 6:50 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:52 pm to
Correct but as I've stated mine is a 100$ a year. Looking at most districts around me it makes out as 200$ a year
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:54 pm to
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comes out to something like $44/hour on avg.



Not at all accurate. I just did the numbers on my wife's hours/salary and it comes out to $26/hr. And she did work a second job on weekends when she was younger, single and making less than $26/hr. She still tries to teach summer school but there are limited positions available and so she doesn't get a spot every year.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:54 pm to
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Every teacher in the country knew the pay scale when they decided to take the job. If you dont like it, quit, someone else will be glad to waste all day on shite work and send home 3 hours of homework for the parents to figure out.




Actually, for many they didn't know they would have the pay scale they would have. Most teachers around with a large amount of years teaching started in teaching with set pay bumps after a certain number of years teaching experience. In the last decade many places have frozen those pay bumps altogether or only give years of experience if you move districts.

So you wind up with ridiculous situations such as a teacher like myself with 5 years of experience making almost the same money as teachers with 15+ years of experience in my district.

And here in Arizona we had 2-3 thousand unfilled teaching positions at the beginning of this year along with a another couple thousand jobs filled by people without teaching backgrounds on emergency certifications, so no, someone else is not lining up to fill those positions.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:58 pm to
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Not at all accurate. I just did the numbers on my wife's hours/salary and it comes out to $26/hr.


Yeah, that's about where I am per hour averaged out over 9 months (25ish). And I don't run any clubs or coach any sports, so my per hour money would be higher than many at my school.
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:23 pm to
Yes, there is and that’s the shitty part.

An amazing teacher 2 years out of college will make 20k less than some old mean 65 year old teacher who doesn’t know how to work a computer.

If we paid based on something else besides age (I am not sure how exactly it could be quantified), we would probably see wayyy better teachers across the board. There is no incentive to excel.

To me, this is the real failure of the school system. Pay needs to be structured more like the business world.

The longer a teacher hangs on (whether or not she gives a crap about her kids or not) the more she gets paid. Terrible plan.
Posted by LSUPhreaK
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:25 pm to
My wife teaches. She also has a separate summer job.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:28 pm to
I've always said teachers should get raises based on preformance. I was told there's no way to evaluate teachers.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:33 pm to
The way bow is inaccurate I'm... It is based on student scores. However one year I could have a group with deep parental involvement and I can go really in depth on subjects and have great scores. The next year I could have a really low group that has no parental involvement and results in lower scores. So by one my pay increases another, I've worked just as hard and I get bothing
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:35 pm to
If someone can figure out the BCS rankings then they can figure out how to evaluate teachers. A computer program that looks at her grade book, lesson plans, any standards for the school, standardized testing, and admin walk throughs.

I’d guess that we aren’t working toward that because Alot of teachers might receive an “F” rating.

Until we can insert some competition and incentive, a lot of these teachers will continue to do bare minimum.

Sure, there are other factors too but this would be an excellent place to start.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:38 pm to
The best way to do teacher bonuses is to go by previous years. If overall your student class improves you get the bonus.... frick standardized testing g as it fails
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

To me, this is the real failure of the school system. Pay needs to be structured more like the business world.
If teacher pay was as high as the business world it would be a male dominated profession.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:42 pm to
I live in Iberville Parish and the average pay for a teacher is just over $44k. If a teacher teaches summer school, they can make... I think around $6k.

But $44k and you get the end of May, all of June, all of July and a week in August off.. Labor day, 1 week for Thanksgiving, 2 weeks for Christmas, MLK Day, 1 week for Spring Break.. That's not a bad deal.
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:46 pm to
I agree. But it should be a piece of the puzzle.

A true evaluation would need to incorporate and allow for many variables. This will never happen-but if it did you couldn’t leave standardized testing out.

Especially since college admittance is based on it (at the high school level). But it’s all building blocks.
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:47 pm to
We get one week for Mardi Gras too!
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

But $44k and you get the end of May, all of June, all of July and a week in August off.. Labor day, 1 week for Thanksgiving, 2 weeks for Christmas, MLK Day, 1 week for Spring Break.. That's not a bad deal.



Yeah but they have to work 45 hours during the week and don't get overtime (like most other people)
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:48 pm to
It should be less of a female dominated profession. Kids need balance. And male role models.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:51 pm to
I feel like we’ve had this conversation before but don’t you teach in BR and know my mother? She recently retired instead of dealing with some school board bullshite over disciplining a kid.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
21958 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:52 pm to
My parents both worked three jobs while they taught.

Struggle is real.

Eta: of course they retired at 45.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 7:53 pm
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