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re: Do you have a problem with police running red lights when NOT in pursuit?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:40 am to Tarik One
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:40 am to Tarik One
Yes. The nature of being the visual aspect of "the law" is you should follow "the law" to the best of your ability. As a CPA, if I do shady shite, I will get that license taken away, and will suffer higher civil and/or criminal consequences for said actions. This idea that all police are jackbooted thugs is insane, but the amount of little items they get away with is also insane. You run a red light in a non-emergency situation, you should be subject to stiffer penalties than the general populace.
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:43 am to lowhound
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So you call in a domestic dispute because your boyfriend is beating on you, and since the closest police unit is not actively chasing another car, you want him to stop at every red light on the way to your house so your arse can get beat to a bloody pulp while he's in route to a call to your house?
That's not what anyone is saying. Put your damn lights on and run all the red lights you want.
Running red lights without your lights on is a recipe for disaster.
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Pick your battles though because most people already complain more about how long it takes police to respond to a call.
Never called the police in my life, like most normal people that aren't trash. They take long b/c 90% of the calls they have to go on are bullshite calls of the domestic nature that should be able to be handled without police but trashy people gonna trash.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:45 am to boogedy
This is true. So there are exceptions.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:47 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you want them to enforce every last traffic law to the letter of the law?
Actually, yeah. Otherwise, why have them at all?
Maybe that means removing some unnecessary ones...but until then, what's the point of having traffic laws that are enforced entirely upon the whim of a police officer?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:47 am to Tarik One
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Occasionally, you'll see them patrolling. They would stop at a red light, check to see if the coast is clear, then pull off.
Code 2, not Code 3 brah. Learn what the difference is
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Actually, yeah. Otherwise, why have them at all?
Speak for yourself. I don't need a ticket for going 5 over on the highway or not using a signal.
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Maybe that means removing some unnecessary ones...but until then, what's the point of having traffic laws that are enforced entirely upon the whim of a police officer?
Who decides which ones are unnecessary?
ETA: And since you are such a stickler for following the letter of the law, I sure hope you aren't posting on company time.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:51 am to lowhound
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They don't put the lights and sirens on for every call
Which endangers others that are driving on the roads with them because you're not expecting some car to come blasting through an intersection.
FWIW, I'm willing to wait a few extra minutes on the potential call I may one day have for the police if it means that my wife and family are that much less likely to be run over by a police vehicle that was speeding and going through traffic lights without their lights and sirens on alerting drivers around them.
I'm not even sure why this is debatable.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
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FWIW, I'm willing to wait a few extra minutes on the potential call I may one day have for the police if it means that my wife and family are that much less likely to be run over by a police vehicle that was speeding and going through traffic lights without their lights and sirens on alerting drivers around them.
I'm not even sure why this is debatable
Do you have some stats on how often this happens by any chance?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:52 am to TeddyPadillac
Speaking of police thinking laws don't apply to them...
LINK
He wasn't in uniform or his patrol car, but still.
LINK
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High-ranking St. Tammany Sheriff's deputy arrested for suspected DWI on Causeway, sheriff's office says
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Carlton Dufrechou, executive director of the Causeway, confirmed that Longino was in his own vehicle. He said Longino was headed northbound on the Causeway and was clocked at driving between 90 and 108 mph.
He wasn't in uniform or his patrol car, but still.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:54 am to LSUFanHouston
Not seeing how he thinks the law doesn't apply to him any more than any other person that's been caught driving drunk.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:56 am to LNCHBOX
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Not seeing how he thinks the law doesn't apply to him any more than any other person that's been caught driving drunk.
Next time I get caught speeding or running a red light, I'll tell the officer, well hey, I see officers doing it all the time with no lights or siren, so if the law doesn't apply to him, it shouldn't apply to me.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:57 am to LNCHBOX
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Speak for yourself. I don't need a ticket for going 5 over on the highway or not using a signal.
I don't need one either...that's not the point. But what's the point of having a law on the books you don't expect or really ever want enforced?
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Who decides which ones are unnecessary?
You it seems!
After all, you just said you don't want a ticket for going 5 MPH over the Speed LIMIT. If you're unhappy about getting a ticket for breaking that law, it must mean you either think there should be no speed limits, or the ones there are too low. So, why not change them? Or the signal thing. Should it be a law and enforced or not? I'm just advocating to remove as much discretion from officers as possible and make the job easier by removing unnecessary laws which it seems most times they don;t enforce and most people don't want enforced.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:00 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I don't need one either...that's not the point. But what's the point of having a law on the books you don't expect or really ever want enforced?
SO you just aren't getting the nuance of the discussion. Whatever
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I'm just advocating to remove as much discretion from officers as possible and make the job easier by removing unnecessary laws which it seems most times they don;t enforce and most people don't want enforced.
Well then you are advocating for some pretty ridiculous tickets to be written, and I will mock you accordingly.
So you posting on company time?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:00 am to LNCHBOX
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ETA: And since you are such a stickler for following the letter of the law, I sure hope you aren't posting on company time.
Which law does this break?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:00 am to LSUFanHouston
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Next time I get caught speeding or running a red light, I'll tell the officer, well hey, I see officers doing it all the time with no lights or siren, so if the law doesn't apply to him, it shouldn't apply to me.
I mean, I wasn't expecting a very logical response from you, but this is just too funny.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:01 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you have some stats on how often this happens by any chance?
Officer involved crashes? Not off hand and I'm not THAT interested enough to look them up...but I'm sure the number is out there. I'm not sure you'd find one that parses it out by times lights/sirens were on and not though. But maybe?
But given I've never called the police for anything, and I've driven by police countless times while driving over the course of 30+ years of driving, I'd assume that my chances of being killed in a police induced crash are far higher than the potential chance of me having to wait a small extra amount of time because they chose to put their lights and sirens on and make sure they didn't run into anyone en route to my issue.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:01 am to Tarik One
Its called responding Code 2
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:02 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Officer involved crashes?
There wa sa lot more to your scenario than just officer involved, but you knew that already.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:02 am to Tarik One
The bigger issue is the I’m above following the law because I’m a cop mentality. Running lights is a reflection of that mentality.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
If they don't need the lights and sirens for a call, then they can afford to wait a minute at a traffic light. If they do need them, put that shite on the whole time and get there.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 10:04 am
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