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re: Do school IEPs help or hurt a student in the long term?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:40 am to redfishfan
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:40 am to redfishfan
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kid with an IEP basically has a get out of jail free card when it comes to getting kicked out of a school for behavior.
That's because the school gets extra funding for those kids. Administrators don't want to kick out their cash cows
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:42 am to Techdog89
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Irlen Syndrome
Wow, that's something I have only run across in my studies, because some of the treatments/accommodations are similar to those of dyslexia.
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We are praying that she can eventually earn her actual diploma and not just a certificate of achievement.
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(9th grade now).
Is she in a Louisiana high school?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:07 am to Packer
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That's because the school gets extra funding for those kids. Administrators don't want to kick out their cash cows
And because if that IEP wasn't implemented perfectly they can't and 99% of IEPs aren't implemented perfectly.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:09 am to JabarkusRussell
It's not the IEP, it's the people abusing the IEP process
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:12 am to Techdog89
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I'm sure she will be one of the worker bees when she finishes her time in high school (9th grade now). Her ceiling is just too low to be any sort of manager.
it's good yall are realistic though. Hard i'm sure, but she brings joys in other ways to counter the struggles. Do you know of what kind of jobs/positions she may be able to succeed in? To help guide that way kind of thing.
I dont have kids. Heck dont know if I ever will. I do realize that having children with complications is a possibility no matter what though, and it's Gods decision. The way I am, and the way my dad brought me up education wise, I know I will have difficulty "accepting/dealing" with issues. Im always intrigued how people are handling it. I guess it helps me make sure i'm ready in case it happens, so I can be as strong/positive I can be at that time.
Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:37 am to TOSOV
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Also, a good mgr tries to avoid dropping hard deadlines on employees too. If you have one that "needs more time" then give a buffer in case.
Try working in a hospital where there are deadlines to complete assessments to stay in compliance.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:54 am to JabarkusRussell
Here's my opinion of IEP's and SPED based on 20+ years of teaching experience in Louisiana public schools.
A) far too many students are referred to SPED in elementary school. Many students show up to Kindergarten having been taught no basic skills at home. Some still aren't completely potty trained, they don't know the front of a book from the back of a book. By second grade, they haven't acquired the skills that they need, so they are referred to SPED when they realistically have no specific disability, they just weren't prepared for school.
B) for the students who fall into the above category, SPED leads to learned helplessness. Many of these students have no support at home anyway, and education isn't valued. They figure out pretty quickly that they don't have to really do anything, and they pass anyway. Pretty soon they make not attempt to do or learn anything.
C) many with behavior issues are referred under some "unspecified" behavior disability. Like has been already mentioned, these students basically have a free pass to do anything that they want without any real punishment. They kill the learning environment.
Please don't misunderstand. I'm not saying that there aren't many, many students who need and deserve a SPED program. There are genuine learning disabilities that need to be addressed. The system is severely flawed, though.
A) far too many students are referred to SPED in elementary school. Many students show up to Kindergarten having been taught no basic skills at home. Some still aren't completely potty trained, they don't know the front of a book from the back of a book. By second grade, they haven't acquired the skills that they need, so they are referred to SPED when they realistically have no specific disability, they just weren't prepared for school.
B) for the students who fall into the above category, SPED leads to learned helplessness. Many of these students have no support at home anyway, and education isn't valued. They figure out pretty quickly that they don't have to really do anything, and they pass anyway. Pretty soon they make not attempt to do or learn anything.
C) many with behavior issues are referred under some "unspecified" behavior disability. Like has been already mentioned, these students basically have a free pass to do anything that they want without any real punishment. They kill the learning environment.
Please don't misunderstand. I'm not saying that there aren't many, many students who need and deserve a SPED program. There are genuine learning disabilities that need to be addressed. The system is severely flawed, though.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:59 am to northshorebamaman
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Don't those diplomas state that they're IEP? If so an employer would be stupid to hire them without taking that into consideration.
That would completely violate the Disabilities Act if they pointedly put an "asterisk" on their diploma.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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G/T
Gifted/Talented?
Ours was called GATES
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:31 am to JabarkusRussell
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I had a student
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accomadation
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accomadations
I'm skeptical
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:51 am to danilo
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What is IEP?
Individual Education Plan
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:38 am to High C
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far too many students are referred to SPED in elementary school. Many students show up to Kindergarten having been taught no basic skills at home. Some still aren't completely potty trained, they don't know the front of a book from the back of a book. By second grade, they haven't acquired the skills that they need, so they are referred to SPED when they realistically have no specific disability, they just weren't prepared for school.
Spot on
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:45 am to JabarkusRussell
My niece was speech delayed and accessed services through LAUSD. They had to do an IEP for her speech therapy services. She was discharged last week at age-appropriate levels.
The IEP in and of itself is fairly innocuous. It's just the treatment plan.
As for the extended time, I agree with you. It's probably more beneficial to the student to learn how to work within time constraints than have the time constraints conform to him.
The IEP in and of itself is fairly innocuous. It's just the treatment plan.
As for the extended time, I agree with you. It's probably more beneficial to the student to learn how to work within time constraints than have the time constraints conform to him.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:53 am to High C
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far too many students are referred to SPED in elementary school. Many students show up to Kindergarten having been taught no basic skills at home. Some still aren't completely potty trained, they don't know the front of a book from the back of a book. By second grade, they haven't acquired the skills that they need, so they are referred to SPED when they realistically have no specific disability, they just weren't prepared for school.
This is where I think investments in early education can pay off down the road. Our system has advanced such that kids arriving in Kinder are supposed to have X level of skills.
But when my kids were in Kinder, the teacher often had to teach the same stuff my kids learned in Pre-K/nursery school. Because so many kids had not learned that.
We really need to look at universal Pre-K, all day.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:51 pm to CoachChappy
So do you think IEPs help or hurt students who can get an actual diploma?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:29 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We really need to look at universal Pre-K, all day.
Absolutely. One of my kids is speech delayed and his twin brother is not really. The day care treats the speech delayed like he has autism and just lets him do whatever. At home he is completely normal and behaves just fine and when he goes to speech therapy, they know what to do.
day cares are a joke and are actually making my kids regress from the stuff we teach them.
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