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Do school IEPs help or hurt a student in the long term?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:09 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:09 am
When they enter the work force, they aren't going to get extended time to do an assignment or have their boss spend more time assisting them then regular employees.
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:12 am to JabarkusRussell
I don't know, but I do know that special testing crap is abused like hell at universities. I can't imagine it's beneficial.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:14 am to TigersSEC2010
I had a student that made Bs request an accomadation letter. I spoke to the person at the school and she said you'd be shocked by how many well standing students suddenly request accomadations when it's time to take standardized tests and they want additional time.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:14 am to JabarkusRussell
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When they enter the work force, they aren't going to get extended time to do an assignment or have their boss spend more time assisting them then regular employees.
Spend a lot of time taking timed standardized tests while in the work force eh? Apples and Oranges.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:14 am to JabarkusRussell
School teaches you nothing about the workforce to begin with. The only thing school teaches you is about people.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:15 am to JabarkusRussell
Don't those diplomas state that they're IEP? If so an employer would be stupid to hire them without taking that into consideration.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:23 am to AMS
They don't have time tests but they do have deadlines. I need an extension because of my disability, boss.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:27 am to JabarkusRussell
They should every advantage they can use. School isn’t a pure meritocracy, it’s a matter of who can play the game. If doing IEP gives a student an edge, they should use it and they’d be foolish not to
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:28 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:29 am to JabarkusRussell
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They don't have time tests but they do have deadlines. I need an extension because of my disability, boss.
Again, that would be the fault of an employer hiring some one with an IEP diploma.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:33 am to northshorebamaman
Isn't not hiring them discrimination?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:38 am to JabarkusRussell
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Isn't not hiring them discrimination?
No. An "IEP diploma" is not really a true high school diploma. It's a certificate that acknowledges that the student has completed his or her IEP goals. They aren't accepted by the military or by most colleges either.
For example, my daughter has an IEP diploma. Her mental growth was stunted severely by a condition she has. Even though it's commonly referred to as a diploma, according to our state it's technically just a certificate of achievement.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:53 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:48 am to JabarkusRussell
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They don't have time tests but they do have deadlines. I need an extension because of my disability, boss.
Lots of education occurring within those workplace deadlines then?
Education and workplace are 2 entirely different settings. the E in IEP is for Education. IEP is primarily for blind, deaf, mentally/physically disabled... With that in mind its reasonable for a boss to accommodate for such.
Now if you are talking about people gaming the system, then its not about IEP its about people who take short cuts.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:49 am to JabarkusRussell
Yes and no.
The truly smart kids will not rely on it but play the system to record better scores. And why not? It’s the same concept in the workplace. It’s “playing the game”.
The truly smart kids will not rely on it but play the system to record better scores. And why not? It’s the same concept in the workplace. It’s “playing the game”.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:05 am to northshorebamaman
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Don't those diplomas state that they're IEP?
SPED teacher here: Student with an IEP (exceptionalities/disability) can get a regular diploma. There is a certificate of achievement which is for students who cannot pass regular classes in high school. These are usually intellectually disabled kids. (What used to be called retarded.)
As far as the OP’s question, it’s up to the individual. I have some students who struggle in a school setting, but are great workers. They will not be executives in life, but given a task, they knock it out and work all day.
Other kids do abuse the system. These are typically kids who have a specific learning disability and abuse the fact that IEP kids cannot be disciplined the same as regular students.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:09 am to DrunkerThanThou
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School isn’t a pure meritocracy, it’
Should be.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:21 am to JabarkusRussell
School vs work is apples vs oranges.
An IEP can be vital to a students success especially if they have a specific learning disability or ADHD.
Employment is nothing like school. School is about memorizing specific facts that a teacher or curriculum has decided are important. School doesn’t teach critical thinking, how to evaluate and modify your best learning style, or how to discipline yourself to achieve success.
If they want or need an IEP to get more time to memorize, I don’t see a problem with it. The only thing it costs is a little more of a teachers free time to wait on them to finish an exam.
An IEP can be vital to a students success especially if they have a specific learning disability or ADHD.
Employment is nothing like school. School is about memorizing specific facts that a teacher or curriculum has decided are important. School doesn’t teach critical thinking, how to evaluate and modify your best learning style, or how to discipline yourself to achieve success.
If they want or need an IEP to get more time to memorize, I don’t see a problem with it. The only thing it costs is a little more of a teachers free time to wait on them to finish an exam.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:36 am to JabarkusRussell
Long term...hurt.
Accomodations are not the norm in the business world in my experience. You either get the job done or you are fired. The WORST accomodations are those tied to behavior. In short, it is okay to be an a-hole. You even have a max of ten days suspension / exclusion. Creating a class of students that are "above the law" will mean issues later in life imo. I often wonder how many of these high profile cases relating to aggresion and violence deal with former IEP -get out of jail free- recipients. I would wager a moon pie that one of the following: Dylan Roof, Michael Brown, or Nikolas Cruz, had an IEP concerning behavior. Hell, you can even get social security benefits tied to these "issues". Watch the documentary "The wild and wonderful Whites of West Virginia" to get an idea as to how the system is abused. It is eye opening!
Accomodations are not the norm in the business world in my experience. You either get the job done or you are fired. The WORST accomodations are those tied to behavior. In short, it is okay to be an a-hole. You even have a max of ten days suspension / exclusion. Creating a class of students that are "above the law" will mean issues later in life imo. I often wonder how many of these high profile cases relating to aggresion and violence deal with former IEP -get out of jail free- recipients. I would wager a moon pie that one of the following: Dylan Roof, Michael Brown, or Nikolas Cruz, had an IEP concerning behavior. Hell, you can even get social security benefits tied to these "issues". Watch the documentary "The wild and wonderful Whites of West Virginia" to get an idea as to how the system is abused. It is eye opening!
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:47 am to CoachChappy
I have one on an IEP.
I’d give anything to not have him on one. Be careful ridiculing something that involves heartache.
I’d give anything to not have him on one. Be careful ridiculing something that involves heartache.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:14 am to JabarkusRussell
my IEPs did literally nothing for me
i still feel bad for the new, young teacher who called my dad for my IEP. she didn't know to call my mom (who was a teacher who had to do IEPs herself) and ended up in a 3+ hour conversation with my dad. apparently it was mega intense (Which is not shocking considering it was my dad)
i still feel bad for the new, young teacher who called my dad for my IEP. she didn't know to call my mom (who was a teacher who had to do IEPs herself) and ended up in a 3+ hour conversation with my dad. apparently it was mega intense (Which is not shocking considering it was my dad)
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:15 am to DrunkerThanThou
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They should every advantage they can use. School isn’t a pure meritocracy, it’s a matter of who can play the game. If doing IEP gives a student an edge, they should use it and they’d be foolish not to
well that's fricked up
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