re: Did Germany ever have a real chance of beating the Soviet Union?

If there’s one thing that history teaches us it’s that Brazil is much closer to Africa than people think.



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Stalin was mentally unstable as much if not more than Hitler but abuses depressant not meth

so he would have killed himself eventually

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without American trucks the Soviets couldn't have logistically supported their frontline troops.

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Studebaker and American food kept the red army from starving to death. At different times, Zhukov and Stalin have both acknowledged their dependance on the Lend Lease supplies.

Not to mention the hundreds of millions of barrels of oil and avgas.

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A better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern front.

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The Soviets allied with Germany took Poland and the Baltic States. Then Hitler took out France and the Low Countries. Then he betrayed Stalin and invaded Russia.

Russia didn’t intervene.

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1. Doesn't knock out England. That includes Dunkirk.

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Hitler lacked a navy to even invade England in the first place. This was never going to happen unless he fund Robin Williams Genie lamp in Persia somewhere.

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2. Spreads himself thin with North Africa. German generals said this after the war.

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They didn’t have the resources to fight a long drawn war in North Africa. The trend here is that Germany made the best decisions at the time but just couldn’t outlast enemies with more manpower, more resources, and more stable governments. That’s why they implemented blitzkrieg in the first place.

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3. Waits too late to invade.

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So he needs to invade the USSR while fighting France and Britain? Does he need to invade the USSR before France? Does he not need to secure the European continent and resources before he invades a country that is more populated, larger, and has more resources than him? I think he invaded at the right time. It doesn’t mean it was guaranteed to work.

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4. Did not develop a long range bomber.

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This goes against the whole doctrine of blitzkrieg and by the time they were necessary, it was too late.

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5. Focuses on the wrong cities

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Dude went after all of Europe, so I’m confused.

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Even with all that, USSR probably gets beat but for our lend lease program. Soviets couldn't win without our supplies.

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Lend Lease just made the war go by faster. With time, the Soviets would’ve been manufacturing everything on their own. The only reason for Lend Lease was because Germany invaded first, so you can’t cry about lend lease when Germany had to sucker punch everyone to win.

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Lend Lease just made the war go by faster.

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I am leaning more toward this. We may have helped speed things up but the soviets eventually would have gotten their feet under them and beat the Germans on their own. That is why I started this thread because the more I read about it I just don't think any of the things mentioned in this thread would have mattered. The soviets had more people and space and time on their side.

Yes. But we sent the Studebakers because they could run on crappy Sov gas.

We sent them over 400,000 trucks and jeeps. And the Red Army still had massive logistical problems.

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I hope you are trolling

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Not at all.

What makes you think Germany didn’t have a modern navy.