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re: Did Germany ever have a real chance of beating the Soviet Union?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to Canon951
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to Canon951
They were getting it done but supply lines got too long. Was still manageable but weather crippled them. Losses after that were too heavy. They had a good chance.
Should have finished off GB to start with. That was first mistake and where it went wrong. Major wars on 2 fronts… tough hill to climb.
Should have finished off GB to start with. That was first mistake and where it went wrong. Major wars on 2 fronts… tough hill to climb.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:59 pm to Canon951
No they were beaten before the invasion. By not knocking Britain out of the war, they couldn’t focus entirely on the Soviets.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:00 pm to Reagan80
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By not knocking Britain out of the war, they couldn’t focus entirely on the Soviets.
The brits had also cracked the enigma code, unbeknownst to the Germans
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:00 pm to Reagan80
The US probably would have stayed out of it if Japan hadn't touched our boats, giving Germany a pretty good chance.
You never touch our boats.
You never touch our boats.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:02 pm to Canon951
Hitler grossly under-estimated both Russia and the U.S., and he ignored his generals at crucial times.
I don't think Germany had a realistic chance against the Soviet state...
I don't think Germany had a realistic chance against the Soviet state...
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:03 pm to Pax Regis
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Hitler’s biggest mistake was believing all his own bullshite. He really thought they could basically take on all of the world all at once and win. He thought the Germans were really that superior.
This is vastly overstated. Hitler sought to avoid war with the West. Hitler gambled that the West would not go to war over Poland. He also sought to avoid conflict with America and to settle with Britain prior to Barbarossa. After Britain's clear refusal to come to terms, the Germans sought to knock the Soviets out in a swift campaign, which Hitler believed would force the British to settle by removing Russia as a potential lifeline to squeeze Germany. Hitler's declaration of war on America, in his mind, was forced on him because the United States was gearing up for entry on there own timeline, just as in WWI. This was not an irrational or unsubstantiated position.
So the notion that Hitler wantonly declared war on the world due to some insane belief in the Germans just being "that superior" is Hollywood and not history.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:04 pm to lsufan112001
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The U S had everyone scared after the bombs. I think they all wouid concede
I just finished watching Hitler and the Nazi’s: Evil on Trial (Netflix). I’m surprised they never mentioned the bombs. Not what the doc was about but they did reference Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:05 pm to Canon951
Hitler learned nothing from history (Napoleon) --- wanting too much and not being strategic enough. The Nazis certainly had the equipment and manpower..... but the war plans left a lot to be desired -- hence, many top generals were replaced, some due to insubordination.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:11 pm to tide06
Those arctic convoys to Murmansk were crucial to the SU
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:13 pm to Canon951
I don't think the Germans ever had a shot at beating the Soviets while they were still fighting in western Europe and Africa. Sure they might have captured Stalingrad and Moscow if they Barbarossa had been launched 3 months sooner, but Hitler was stretching his forces too thin to realistically be able to hold onto the captured Russian territory given the sheer numbers of the Red Army forces.
They were never going to beat the Soviets while fighting a war on 2 fronts and Hitler was too impatient to wait to attack Russia until after the British were knocked out of the war.
They were never going to beat the Soviets while fighting a war on 2 fronts and Hitler was too impatient to wait to attack Russia until after the British were knocked out of the war.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:14 pm to BabyTac
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Not what the doc was about but they did reference Pearl Harbor.
Like I said, never touch our boats.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:15 pm to Canon951
They had the same chance of beating the Russians as the south did of beating the union, zero.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:18 pm to greenbean
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as the south did of beating the union, zero.
Oh boy, here we go....
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:18 pm to Pax Regis
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Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Senator Blutarsky?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:19 pm to BabyTac
quote:The European theater war was already over when the bombs were dropped on Japan.
I just finished watching Hitler and the Nazi’s: Evil on Trial (Netflix). I’m surprised they never mentioned the bombs.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:21 pm to LSURussian
I think it was over by winter of 1941, the Germans just didn't know it yet.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:21 pm to greenbean
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They had the same chance of beating the Russians as the south did of beating the union, zero.
Oh you sumbich.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:22 pm to Centinel
Excuse my ignorance on this. Did Japan confer w Germany on their Pearl Harbor plans or was that a unilateral decision? Bc that decision was the start of Germany getting their sht pushed in.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:23 pm to Tridentds
quote:That was never going to happen. The Luftwaffe was getting murdered in the Battle of Britain and they lacked naval superiority. Convoys were still reaching GB at this time even though many tons of shipping went to the bottom of the sea. Besides, invading and conquering a massive island nation like GB would’ve been near impossible.
Should have finished off GB to start with. That was first mistake and where it went wrong
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:24 pm to Canon951
Yes.
If they would have a) captured/killed the British at Dunkirk; and, b) kept bombing the RAF fields instead of civilian areas, they could have knocked Britain out of the war (including its Navy and its colonies [which were important in the Mediterranean and in the Pacific]).
This would have greatly hampered Lend Lease to the USSR, which likely would have made Barbarossa move even faster, but without having to be concerned at all with Western Europe or the Med, they would not have had the personnel and logistical issues that dragged it into the Winter. At a minimum, they would have been much better equipped to weather the Winter and restart the advance in the Spring.
If they would have a) captured/killed the British at Dunkirk; and, b) kept bombing the RAF fields instead of civilian areas, they could have knocked Britain out of the war (including its Navy and its colonies [which were important in the Mediterranean and in the Pacific]).
This would have greatly hampered Lend Lease to the USSR, which likely would have made Barbarossa move even faster, but without having to be concerned at all with Western Europe or the Med, they would not have had the personnel and logistical issues that dragged it into the Winter. At a minimum, they would have been much better equipped to weather the Winter and restart the advance in the Spring.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 7:15 pm
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