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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:24 pm to Yellerhammer5
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:24 pm to Yellerhammer5
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If this were the case every police shooting would be a homicide.
Every police shooting is a homicide.
this is correct
it's just up to the investigators to see if a law was broken
the 4 year old gets into the gun cabinet and somehow ends up shooting the 2 year old
that's also a homicide
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:27 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Anyone with half a brain knows the knee couldn’t cut off the airway. AMS still hasn’t accepted this and thinks the hypopharynx was compressed
He doesn’t need the knee to have cut off air or blood.
The subdual and restraint caused stress that resulted in death. Homicide.
Intentional, negligent, whatever. Still homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:29 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Anyone with half a brain knows the knee couldn’t cut off the airway. AMS still hasn’t accepted this and thinks the hypopharynx was compressed
if we're being fair, my point was more the knee on the back and overall picture of the subdual restricting chest wall movement.
although I did speak to the hyoid bone would not need to be broken with upper airway compression, and that its possible to compromise the upper airway with anterior or lateral force to the neck. I have posted multiple times ITT that the neck wouldnt even need to be involved for this manner of death.
but I wouldn't expect fair interpretation from you with your record of misquoting testimony about knee on back of the neck compressing the airway, and you conflation of all heart disease when specifically referring to vessel obstruction.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:29 pm to LightMerchant
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The subdual and restraint caused stress that resulted in death. Homicide.
I think that's essentially his conclusion
Police can't be responsible for people being very unhealthy, on drugs, breaking the law, then resisting
I mean, dang...
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:29 pm to LightMerchant
There are some interesting case types that blur the lines between manners of death.
Russian roulette is a popular one that people are divided on. Most would go with suicide because a reasonable person knows what could happen if they place a gun to their head and pull the trigger.
Someone who develops chest pain during a physical altercation, such as a bar fight, could be argued as a homicide or a natural.
Generally, if a burglar breaks into a home and the elderly homeowner has a heart attack while being startled, it’ll be considered a homicide.
Russian roulette is a popular one that people are divided on. Most would go with suicide because a reasonable person knows what could happen if they place a gun to their head and pull the trigger.
Someone who develops chest pain during a physical altercation, such as a bar fight, could be argued as a homicide or a natural.
Generally, if a burglar breaks into a home and the elderly homeowner has a heart attack while being startled, it’ll be considered a homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:29 pm to rt3
Has the prosecution or their witnesses addressed or explained George Floyd saying he couldn’t breath while sitting in the back seat of the patrol car?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:29 pm to LightMerchant
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Deaths due to positional restraint induced by law enforcement personnel or to choke holds or other measures to subdue may be classified as Homicide
So it’s not always homicide? Interesting.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:30 pm to ApexTiger
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He also said Floyd didn't OD
boom.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:32 pm to LightMerchant
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He doesn’t need the knee to have cut off air or blood.
The “compression of the hypopharynx” was all the rage yesterday. Wonder why we didn’t hear anything about that today?
Because it was a bogus theory.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:32 pm to greygoose
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Nelson has the ME making his case!
This has been a TERRIBLE week for the prosecution. Nelson has turned a few of these prosecution witnesses into witnesses proving the defense's case.
I'm no trial expert, but the State cannot be pleased with the way this trial has played out this far. I don't think this could have gone much worse for them. It started turning last week when either the MPD chief or the training officer testified to prosecution questioning that individuals are no longer a threat once they've been handcuffed. Nelson nailed him on cross and it's been pretty much a shite show from the State since then.
If there is anyone on that jury who has been truly gone in without bias and open to seeing all the evidence presented AND has the nerve to stand their ground to the bully tactics that is certain to come their way...there's no way to convict DC from what I've witnessed of this trial. No way.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:33 pm to AMS
This post was edited on 4/26/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:34 pm to AMS
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if we're being fair, my point was more the knee on the back and overall picture of the subdual restricting chest wall movement.
Oh frick you
You argued with me for 10 pages that compression on the lateral aspect of Floyd’s neck by the knee compressed the hypopharynx.
You aren’t fooling anyone
Now it’s the back and chest wall movement? Make up your mind. I thought you were so sure.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:34 pm to AMS
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He also said Floyd didn't OD
boom.
Keep reading AMS
you have to keep listening to the doctor
in part it sounded good for the prosecution
but the deeper and further you analyze his conclusions
it's clear he is saying, Floyd died from heart disease using a bad mix of drugs while resisting arrest
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:36 pm to AMS
AMS is playing 3-D chess and politely attempting to explain it.
No, it’s more that AMS is trying to explain checkers to people thinking it 3-D chess. Very simple. And here is how.
That’s why that defense attorney, give him credit, smartly announced he would be brief and then had the ME sum it up with “Yes. Homicide”. Thank you very much.
He cleverly trump-carded all that work Nelson put in with the ME about other factors.
No, it’s more that AMS is trying to explain checkers to people thinking it 3-D chess. Very simple. And here is how.
That’s why that defense attorney, give him credit, smartly announced he would be brief and then had the ME sum it up with “Yes. Homicide”. Thank you very much.
He cleverly trump-carded all that work Nelson put in with the ME about other factors.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:38 pm to LightMerchant
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The subdual and restraint caused stress that resulted in death.
Along with excited delerium and the effects of narcotics. And covid. And heart disease.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:38 pm to arseinclarse
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White Minneapolis
All white Minneapolis residents I personally know are all moving.
There's no saving these urban areas. They're gone.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:40 pm to LightMerchant
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AMS is playing 3-D chess and politely attempting to explain it.
No, it’s more that AMS is trying to explain checkers to people thinking it 3-D chess. Very simple. And here is how.
AMS is complimenting and upvoting himself with an alter he created 4 days ago.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Oh frick you
You argued with me for 10 pages that compression on the lateral aspect of Floyd’s neck by the knee compressed the hypopharynx.
You aren’t fooling anyone
Now it’s the back and chest wall movement? Make up your mind. I thought you were so sure.
if you look back in the thread you will find me saying just that. I began discussing it because thats what testimony indicated, although I still hold the neck need not be involved in GFs death. I did argue that anterior or lateral pressure could compress a hypopharynx without any fracture. I never said that specifically happened with GF although the knee was applying force to the lateral aspect of the neck and compression would increase the danger.
again I dont expect any type of fair interpretation from you.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:48 pm to arseinclarse
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If a drug addict dies in their custody, they could arguably face jail time
That is already the case.
Convictions are rare.
2 Louisiana Correctional officers were were sentenced today to prison and for being “deliberately indifferent to an inmate’s serious medical needs.”
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:50 pm to AMS
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You were caught with a pillow over her head for the minutes leading up to her death.
why do you keep using this example? A pillow over her head shows an intent to murder her. There is no other reason to have a pillow over her head that you'd convince a jury.
But a knee on the back/neck of a person thats been resisting arrest clearly has a reason besides an intent to kill.
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