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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:21 pm to IT_Dawg
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:21 pm to IT_Dawg
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IT_Dawg
Here is the definition of the manslaughter charge according to the state of Minnesota.
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Second-degree manslaughter: According to the Minnesota statute, when someone “creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another” is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree.
Every "expert" that testified eventually had to agree that that not only was the way GF being restrained legal and taught, they all had to admit it was the lessor of several other options available to the officers at the time. They could have tazed him. They could have used "the hobble".
There is no way a reasonable person could think that Chauvin acted in a "conscience way" to cause GF's death. If that was the case they would not have 1) called for medical. 2) called back to elevate the seriousness for need of medical.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:23 pm to Rebel
quote:Hard to say following manual training does this.
consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another”
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:23 pm to Tiger Ree
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he told the prosecution that he thinks the police caused the death. WTF
he never said that. why would you say he said that?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:26 pm to AMS
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low IQ posters like to pretend it would be somehow disparaging if I were a female. its a middle school mentality they cant help revert to when faced with facts that challenge their feelings.
Imagine saying this while responding to your alter you created to compliment and upvote yourself.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:33 pm to RB10
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Imagine saying this while responding to your alter you created to compliment and upvote yourself.
I would have to imagine that because i dont have an alt, havent been complimented, nor upvoted.
but go ahead with your make believe.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:35 pm to LightMerchant
GF actions caused a reaction. Unfortunately, it was him losing his life. No drugs in mouth, no increased life threatening issues. Not resisting and not listening, not placed on the ground and restrained.
It’s very cut and dry. That would be like blaming an innocent driver who was involved in wreck with with a drunk driver and the drunk driver losing their life. We don’t blame the innocent driver for being in the road and surviving. Or an innocent pedestrian being mugged then killing the perp while defending themselves.
It’s very cut and dry. That would be like blaming an innocent driver who was involved in wreck with with a drunk driver and the drunk driver losing their life. We don’t blame the innocent driver for being in the road and surviving. Or an innocent pedestrian being mugged then killing the perp while defending themselves.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:36 pm to AMS
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but go ahead with your make believe.
Ironic given your involvement in the several threads on this topic.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:38 pm to AMS
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AMS
Are you the curly haired prosecutor?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:43 pm to AMS
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havent been complimented
They didn’t catch that the post was not so much complimenting YOU but calling them dumb.
Well, I was more kind than that. I used analogy wherein they were overthinking and over-complicating.
It’s simple once you see it.
epiphany
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:45 pm to LightMerchant
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Chauvin’s act caused Floyd’s poor health condition to kill him.
We can debate what Chauvin could have done differently, his intent, his level of neglect...
...but his act caused Floyd’s death.
What if Chauvin was chasing GF in a car, GF gets broadsided at an intersection and dies.
Is that homicide?
Under this scenario, did Chauvin's pursuit (act) result in the fatality?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:49 pm to Tortious
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Are you the curly haired prosecutor?
More like the retarded female emt bystander
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:56 pm to Rossberg02
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GF actions caused a reaction. Unfortunately, it was him losing his life. No drugs in mouth, no increased life threatening issues. Not resisting and not listening, not placed on the ground and restrained. It’s very cut and dry. That would be like blaming an innocent driver who was involved in wreck with with a drunk driver and the drunk driver losing their life. We don’t blame the innocent driver for being in the road and surviving. Or an innocent pedestrian being mugged then killing the perp while defending themselves.
That post and the analogy within are pained, to say the least.
I can’t even tell if it attempts to argue on behalf of Floyd or Chauvin.
GF’s action caused a reaction and Chauvin’s reaction killed Floyd.
The analogy is flawed because Floyd did not die independent of Chauvin’s action. Your drunk driver died independent of any act by the innocent driver. For the analogy to apply it would have to be: drunk-driver lives but is seriously injured, innocent driver sits on top of drunk in order that they do not get away, sitting on the person causes them to die due to injury from wreck combined with being sat upon, innocent driver commits homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:01 pm to RazorBroncs
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I don't know why this post went largely unnoticed, but it's spot on and perfectly describes the situation and state of the trial.
thank you Razor for taking the time to read it
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:03 pm to LightMerchant
So far my opinion is this:
Floyd made decisions that cost him his life:
1) Drug use
2) ingesting more drugs in an attempt to hide them
3) resisting arrest
4) Lying about his use of drugs
Officers made mistakes with how they restrained him. But ultimately it was Floyd's decisions that were the #1 cause of his death.
I could see the officers being liable civilly and administratively but not criminally.
Floyd made decisions that cost him his life:
1) Drug use
2) ingesting more drugs in an attempt to hide them
3) resisting arrest
4) Lying about his use of drugs
Officers made mistakes with how they restrained him. But ultimately it was Floyd's decisions that were the #1 cause of his death.
I could see the officers being liable civilly and administratively but not criminally.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:04 pm to momentoftruth87
Since it’s the weekend, and there won’t be any testimony for a couple of days, here’s a case from the “Land of Biden” that had garnered a lot of attention locally over the last few years.
In a nutshell, there was a 3 on 1 fight in a girls bathroom at a high school, the 1 ended up passing away because of the fight. Upon the autopsy, it was found that she had a rare heart defect that contributed to her death.
The girls were found guilty during a bench trial, but the most serious charges were overturned by the State Supreme Court because the girls had no way of knowing that the fight would flare up an unknown heart condition.
After this week, to me, the central question in the Chauvin case is very similar to this case. Hopefully this spurs some good discussion during the downtime this weekend.
Delaware Supreme Court
In a nutshell, there was a 3 on 1 fight in a girls bathroom at a high school, the 1 ended up passing away because of the fight. Upon the autopsy, it was found that she had a rare heart defect that contributed to her death.
The girls were found guilty during a bench trial, but the most serious charges were overturned by the State Supreme Court because the girls had no way of knowing that the fight would flare up an unknown heart condition.
After this week, to me, the central question in the Chauvin case is very similar to this case. Hopefully this spurs some good discussion during the downtime this weekend.
Delaware Supreme Court
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:05 pm to blueboxer1119
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What if Chauvin was chasing GF in a car, GF gets broadsided at an intersection and dies. Is that homicide? Under this scenario, did Chauvin's pursuit (act) result in the fatality?
I think the difference there is indirect vs direct.
The pursuit was indirect cause.
The subdual & restraint of Floyd direct cause ( according to the ME ).
And remember, Floyd is in Chauvin’s custody. Floyd was in Chauvin’s CARE.
I could be mistaken, but once a person is in police custody the police are legally responsible for that person’s life. Which is why there are civil suits suing police for deaths of arrestees, inmates, etc.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:06 pm to AMS
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except the hypopharynx is compressible with as little force as used with cricoid pressure.
Jesus Christ you are an idiot.
The esophagus is contained in the hypopharynx. They are describing the decrease in the area that leads to the esophagus (which is the purpose of the cricoid pressure) not the airway.
They even have separate measurements of the airway during the cricoid pressure and admit that it doesn’t compress much at all with pressure
You don’t understand the anatomy
From your article...
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Although the AP airway diameter before CP was similar (16.8–17.1 mm in the three positions) in our study compared with Smith et al.9 (17.1 mm), the change with compression was quite different. Smith et al. reported a decrease of 4 mm, which is a 23% decrease (4 mm/17.1 mm) in the AP diameter of the airway with CP, whereas we measured only a 6% decrease (about 1.0/16.8 mm), which is in keeping with application of pressure over a relatively rigid cartilaginous ring such as the cricoid.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:19 pm to BradBallard
Still gotta dig into the jury, but I don't think it will be a majority, no way unanimous
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:21 pm to BradBallard
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After this week, to me, the central question in the Chauvin case is very similar to this case.
I’ll ck out the case, thanks.
The only position I have taken is that Chauvin committed homicide.
This may be a key statement from that Delaware case:
“ were too far removed from the way that she died to blame Tracy for her death.”
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:26 pm to BradBallard
Discussions here during Arbery and Breonna Taylor trials gonna be interesting. If the cases go to trial.
By “interesting” I mean the complexities of those cases and the grey areas / areas open for interpretation.
By “interesting” I mean the complexities of those cases and the grey areas / areas open for interpretation.
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