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Even negligence is a worthless charge if you can't even prove that the negligence actually caused the death. And they cannot prove that BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

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Agreed. Not criminal negligent homicide.

But it could be negligence in rendering aid, for a civil suit. Knowing how Floyd died, Floyd dying at all, is not necessary for there to have been negligent failure to render aid.

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The danger here is defining imperfect behavior as criminal, just because there is a bad outcome. Otherwise, you'll have a crime everytime someone dies in police custody because they could always have "done more".

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Violating department policy, failure to do as trained would be more than merely “imperfect” behavior.

It isn’t that he did not do enough after EMS was contacted, it’s that he did nothing. Whether that is a crime,I am unsure.

This content regarding civil suits is interesting:

“The administrator of White’s estate filed a suit against the City of Columbus claiming a violation of White’s due process rights as a result of the officers’ deliberate indifference to his serious medical needs. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the claim holding that an officer discharges his constitutional duty by seeking prompt medical assistance. According to the Sixth Circuit:
[A]n officer is charged with providing a detainee with prompt medical attention. However, this attention does not require the officer to intervene personally. Imposing an absolute requirement for an officer to do so ignores the reality that such medical situations often call for quick decisions to be made under rapidly evolving conditions. As long as the officer acts promptly in summoning aid, he or she has not deliberately disregarded the serious medical need of the detainee even if he or she has not exhausted every medical option.

Other circuits are in agreement with the Sixth Circuit that an officer discharges his responsibility to a detainee by summoning medical care. In Maddox v. City of Los Angeles,64 Los Angeles police officers came upon Donald Roy Wilson standing naked in the middle of a busy street.65 They believed that he had taken Phencyclidine (PCP).66 An altercation ensued when they attempted to take Wilson into custody.67 After Wilson became belligerent while riding in the police car to the hospital, an officer applied a chokehold for twenty to thirty seconds.68 When they reached the hospital the officers could not find a pulse.69 Although they were trained in CPR the officers did not attempt any First Aid.70 After he arrived at the hospital, the medical staff commenced CPR on Wilson, but he did not respond and was pronounced dead.

His estate filed suit against the City of Los Angeles and various police officers for their failure to render First Aid after they applied the chokehold.72 The Ninth Circuit held that “[d]ue process requires that police officers seek the necessary medical attention for a detainee when he or she has been injured while being apprehended by either promptly summoning the necessary medical help or by taking the injured detainee to a hospital.”

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The court rulings in civil suits suggest that Chauvin is off the hook once EMS has been contacted.


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To me it's also hard to argue neglect given they recognized his health condition and called ems to treat him.

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This content from the link above goes into that:

“ "If it’s a critical situation, you have to do both” – call for an ambulance and provide first aid such as CPR, which involves chest compressions to return blood flow to the body and heart, said Minneapolis police officer Nicole Mackenzie, an EMT who conducts first aid education for officers.”

“ Lt. Richard Zimmerman, the department's most veteran officer, told jurors last week that officers need to provide medical assistance before an ambulance arrives. "There is absolutely an obligation to provide medical intervention as soon as necessary," he said.”


edit: The department policy is that obligation does not end with contacting EMS. But whether it is a crime is another matter.

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It's fair but it's complicated by Floyd's repeated resisting of arrest at all times that he wasn't prone.

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Yes. I just don’t agree that it is indisputable fact that Chauvin was not neglectful and therefore he will not be found guilty of such by any jury unless that jury ignores fact.

Whether Chauvin exhibited neglect is highly subjective, as seen in the widely varying opinions on the event.

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The Indians encountered were large in comparison, but probably no bigger than average Americans today

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There are many skeletons of unusual height. Some are at the Smithsonian.

And Europeans measured native Americans contemporaneously.

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The mom said he got pulled over for having air fresheners in the car....

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Nearly always the moms are in denial and will often fabricate complete nonsense in attempt to defend their hoodrat kid.

He was shot because of air freshener.

He was just out jogging.

He liked to study construction, because he was going to be an “engineer”.

Not only do they not know that there was any injustice, they don’t even know if he died from the gunfire or from the crash as he attempted to flee.

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What event requires the response to be stealing shoes and robbing liquor stores?

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Evil whitey kills a black person it means we get to steal stuff in return. Restorative theft.

The dude they didn’t know is worth at least 2 pairs of free shoes to every black person.

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paying out money that they can bribe criminals into stopping

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Biden wants to pay Central American criminals to stay where they are and not come to U.S.

Oh, and two Alabama pols want to have a percentage of property tax spent on promoting “black history”.

I did it this morning.

Woke up to find where he’d crapped on the rug, I told him he is a loser who will never amount to anything.