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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:52 pm to SOSFAN
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:52 pm to SOSFAN
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Clearly you don't have a clue by claiming that Floyds fentanyl level being to low to OD and the ME saying you're wrong.
the ME said there was not fatal OD... that means he did not have a high enough level to OD. this is consistent with me saying GF had levels too low to OD.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:53 pm to LightMerchant
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His act, along with other things, resulted in a death. His act resulted in a death, ergo, homicide.
There have been overdoses from people who had less fentanyl and meth in their system.
Nobody has died from a cop controlling them with their knee on the neck.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:54 pm to LightMerchant
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His act, along with other things, resulted in a death. His act resulted in a death, ergo, homicide.
Yeah, no. Just because something that was done resulted in a death doesn’t make it homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:54 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Seems like manslaughter
Which if the case is homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:57 pm to LightMerchant
His act was appropriate 
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:57 pm to LightMerchant
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AMS- I hope I am not mucking up your argument, but is it as simple as this?:
Cop subdues and restrains 90 yr old who dies from the stress. Yes, the person was old and frail and had a bad heart. But the sub & res still directly contributed to the death. Which is homicide.
The sub & rest directly caused the death along with whatever health conditions the individual brought to the table.
essentially yes. Do you think its kosher or you you will catch a charge with the hypothetical below?
grandma was struggling with health conditions and was going to die sometime soon. You were caught with a pillow over her head for the minutes leading up to her death.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:02 pm to RB10
“just because something that was done resulted in a death doesn’t make it a homicide”
If the something was volitional, it does make it a homicide. I think. I’m trying to learn myself.
“ Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.”
If the something was volitional, it does make it a homicide. I think. I’m trying to learn myself.
“ Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.”
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:04 pm to AMS
The back of her head while she was doped up? I doubt it.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:04 pm to LightMerchant
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If the something was volitional, it does make it a homicide. I think. I’m trying to learn myself.
If this were the case every police shooting would be a homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:04 pm to Sherman Klump
What’s the recap from today? Haven’t been able to watch at all.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:07 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Seems like manslaughter like that frat dude who killed that old frail black guy in New Orleans.
Whatever happened to that guy? Has that case made it through the courts yet?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:11 pm to LightMerchant
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“just because something that was done resulted in a death doesn’t make it a homicide”
If the something was volitional, it does make it a homicide. I think. I’m trying to learn myself.
“ Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.”
basically yes.
DC's intent isn't relevant for this charge and medical evidence supports that DC caused the death even if other things contributed.
I think the fact the police are trained in first aid rescue measures and delayed those rescue measures for minutes despite their awareness that GF was pulseless and unresponsive will be what convicts DC. \
the pre-existing conditions and drugs will be what saves them from the more severe charges.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:11 pm to rt3
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talking now about pulmonary emboli... truly 1 of the scariest things ever
Yep. I had an old friend who put his body through the ringer with drug use through high school and a couple years after. He finally got clean and a little over two years after getting clean and even opening up his own business with his cousin, had a pulmonary embolism and was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital by ambulance. Elapsed time from when he collapsed and lost consciousness to arriving at the hospital: just under 20 minutes.
Very scary stuff, indeed.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:11 pm to RB10
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If this were the case every police shooting would be a homicide.
this is the case. it may be justified or not, but its still a homicide.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:13 pm to RB10
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If this were the case every police shooting would be a homicide.
Every police shooting is a homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:13 pm to AMS
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this is the case. it may be justified or not, but its still a homicide.
You can’t be taken seriously. Move along.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:14 pm to AMS
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the ME said there was not fatal OD... that means he did not have a high enough level to OD. this is consistent with me saying GF had levels too low to OD.
Dr. Baker was the original and by far the most impressive witness..
Eh, the doctor actually said he has seen lower levels of Fentanyl in OD cases 3 was the number he remembered, suggested it might be even lower.
he also said Floyd had severe heart disease... and when you see meth in the blood, that's "bad news" for a person who already has severe heart disease.
the experience of being high before police arrival, being down, being up on meth, then being arrested with severe heart disease, he didn't have much left in the tank AMS.
how else do you explain "I can't breathe" 15 times,
15 times with no police touching this man in the back seat.
he was dealing with his heart disease, the drugs, the anxiety of being arrested
he heightened his anxiety by resisting ...
all of it pieced together, you could say "homicide"...medically speaking
technically, the police were part of him tapping out, but the police were there doing their job which was to take Floyd into custody. Floyd was "trying to win" "I ain't like that" he argued and argued.
as I have maintained for months, Floyd was tapping out when he said he couldn't breathe in the back seat
he wasn't faking it to get out of the car, he was telling the world, his heart was tapping out...he was desperate to lay down...the police complied..
The optics of the knee and recording make it look like the officer's knee took Floyd out but we now know that isn't the case...
Dr. Baker said as much...
no bruising, no evidence of excessive force...
all the other evidence points to heart failure, drug use, and anxiety...
police are being blamed for his death, but we must remember they were last in line of the issues at hand out of their control.
Could Chauvin have let up sooner? Sure
For the family, GF death looks like the police did this, they want that to be the truth...
to the rest of us the addiction led to job loss, then to using counterfeit money, and the rest is history
it all needs to be over
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:17 pm to MFn GIMP
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Not even just that. The ME said that the knee didn't even cut-off the airway.
Anyone with half a brain knows the knee couldn’t cut off the airway. AMS still hasn’t accepted this and thinks the hypopharynx was compressed
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:23 pm to RB10
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If this were the case every police shooting would be a homicide.
Most are. The ones where there is death, that is.
A child playing with a gun kills another kid, that’s homicide.
This content, dated prior to the GF death, lays it out:
“ When a medical examiner identifies a manner of death as “homicide,” they are not drawing a legal conclusion.
Homicide for the purposes of death certification is a ‘neutral’ term and neither indicates nor implies criminal intent, which remains a determination within the province of legal processes.
Deaths due to positional restraint induced by law enforcement personnel or to choke holds or other measures to subdue may be classified as Homicide. In such cases, there may not be intent to kill, but the death results from one or more intentional, volitional, potentially harmful acts directed at the decedent (without consent, of course).“
LINK
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:24 pm to AMS
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the ME said there was not fatal OD
Dr. Baker said he has seen lower levels of OD several times
He also said Floyd didn't OD
Okay, so what is he trying to convey to all of us?
1. Floyd had severe heart problems
2. 1 Important artery was 90% blocked
3. Floyd would labor for air regardless,because of 1 and 2
4. Meth is bad news for a person with heart disease
5. Floyd resisting, being anxious made his heart request air but his system couldn't deliver it
6. Laying on Floyd was the final blow,
7. The knee wasn't really on the neck, wasn't the reason Floyd died...
Declared it a homicide because it wasn't just the drugs
Wasn't just the heart
Wasn't just the police laying on him
it was all these factors together, thus =homicide- medically speaking
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:27 pm
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