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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:30 pm to AMS
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:30 pm to AMS
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Posted by AMS ? on 4/1/21 at 10:12 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You still haven’t answered the question. You are acting like people on a speedball have predictable behavior and health outcomes.
apologies if I missed a question.
Behavior is variable. Neither of his drug levels were fatal range
So you lied you did say his levels were not in fatal range and the ME says you're wrong. Liar.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:30 pm to AMS
As much as it pains me, I am seeing the merit of your argument. If I have it correctly.
The sub & rest caused the stress that caused the death. Yes, Floyd’s antics produced the sub & rest. But the sub & rest was a direct contributor, regardless. The action by A directly contributed to death of B. The act by Chauvin directly contributed to the death of Floyd. Period.
Which is why the ME is sticking to homicide. He’s not saying murder. He’s finding that the act by Chauvin resulted in the death of Floyd. That’s it. Just cold medical science, intent and negligence are another matter. Chauvin caused stress that killed Floyd.
“ Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.”
Multiple direct contributors doesn’t mean it was one of them that caused the death and there is doubt as to which. It was each and all. Same as you were a direct participant in the bank robbery, among others. You robbed a bank along with others.
The sub & rest caused the stress that caused the death. Yes, Floyd’s antics produced the sub & rest. But the sub & rest was a direct contributor, regardless. The action by A directly contributed to death of B. The act by Chauvin directly contributed to the death of Floyd. Period.
Which is why the ME is sticking to homicide. He’s not saying murder. He’s finding that the act by Chauvin resulted in the death of Floyd. That’s it. Just cold medical science, intent and negligence are another matter. Chauvin caused stress that killed Floyd.
“ Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.”
Multiple direct contributors doesn’t mean it was one of them that caused the death and there is doubt as to which. It was each and all. Same as you were a direct participant in the bank robbery, among others. You robbed a bank along with others.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:33 pm to AMS
My final thoughts for the day/week (get those downvotes started):
I’m surprised that Baker managed to get off the stand so quickly. I think both sides should have spent more time questioning him and his very confusing cause of death statement.
I’m not sure why the prosecution brought in the consulting ME, she didn’t seem to provide anything beyond Baker.
The prosecution should have let the white male attorney handle the majority of expert witness questioning. He seems to be the best of the three to me. Yesterday, Nelson was out of sorts. Today, they seemed confused.
I think the prosecution is going to struggle to convince all 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think the trial has been very fair, and the system is working as intended. The judge has been very good.
I’m surprised that Baker managed to get off the stand so quickly. I think both sides should have spent more time questioning him and his very confusing cause of death statement.
I’m not sure why the prosecution brought in the consulting ME, she didn’t seem to provide anything beyond Baker.
The prosecution should have let the white male attorney handle the majority of expert witness questioning. He seems to be the best of the three to me. Yesterday, Nelson was out of sorts. Today, they seemed confused.
I think the prosecution is going to struggle to convince all 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think the trial has been very fair, and the system is working as intended. The judge has been very good.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:35 pm to SOSFAN
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So you lied you did say his levels were not in fatal range and the ME says you're wrong. Liar.
you keep taking my words out of context. if you quoted the rest of that post it was clearly referring to GF's circumstances not in any overdose death ever.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:35 pm to AMS
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well GFs levels were too low for GF to OD in the given circumstances.
And the ME, you know a real doctor, said you're full of shite.
Tell me what is the amount needed for Floyd to OD due to his tolerance levels?
What is his normal drugs of choice that he has built is tolerence to?
You can't answer either damn question yet you still repeat it like its common knowledge.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:37 pm to AMS
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you keep taking my words out of context
You dumb b*tch I posted your exact words AND put them in bold.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:41 pm to LightMerchant
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As much as it pains me, I am seeing the merit of your argument. If I have it correctly.
The sub & rest caused the stress that caused the death. Yes, Floyd’s antics produced the sub & rest. But the sub & rest was a direct contributor, regardless. The action by A directly contributed to death of B. The act by Chauvin directly resulted in the death of Floyd. Period.
yup, although i tweaked the quote a bit in the bolded portion to align better with the definition of homicide.
many posters are so determined to confirm their bias against me and the trial, they cant help but ignore/twist content and context of the testimony and what I have said.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:41 pm to MFn GIMP
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Was that the last witness for the prosecution?
No judge said they were about to call the next one but it would go past 4:30 today so see you Monday
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:42 pm to AMS
No, a lot of people are correcting your incorrect information.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:43 pm to SOSFAN
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well GFs levels were too low for GF to OD in the given circumstances.
And the ME, you know a real doctor, said you're full of shite.
then why did the ME say it was homicide not accident if he disagrees? if he believed GF had lethal levels in the given circumstances
another example of your taking out of context. clearly referred to given circumstances, not any possible circumstance.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:43 pm to Yellerhammer5
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I think the trial has been very fair, and the system is working as intended. The judge has been very good
Yes sir! He's been great since selection. Old man making money listening to ppl argue. What a life!
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:43 pm to Yellerhammer5
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My final thoughts for the day/week (get those downvotes started):
I’m surprised that Baker managed to get off the stand so quickly. I think both sides should have spent more time questioning him and his very confusing cause of death statement.
I’m not sure why the prosecution brought in the consulting ME, she didn’t seem to provide anything beyond Baker.
The prosecution should have let the white male attorney handle the majority of expert witness questioning. He seems to be the best of the three to me. Yesterday, Nelson was out of sorts. Today, they seemed confused.
I think the prosecution is going to struggle to convince all 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think the trial has been very fair, and the system is working as intended. The judge has been very good.
I agree with most of this except that I think Blackwell has been the best for the prosecution. My guess is we just have different stylistic preferences. I do think we can agree curly haired prosecutor, I can't even think of her name she's so bad, is the worst though and shouldn't ask another question.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:44 pm to AMS
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many posters are so determined to confirm their bias against me and the trial, they cant help but ignore/twist content and context of the testimony and what I have said.
and those mean posters have the audacity to use your OWN WORDS against you!
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:45 pm to AMS
Contributing factors means it wasn't all DC and it could be many reasons. Floyd doing drugs that day didn't help him, more than likely why he resisted. His choice and he died. It's disgusting people defend a career criminal that broke the law and resisted.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:45 pm to Tortious
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No judge said they were about to call the next one but it would go past 4:30 today so see you Monday
Thanks. I thought I heard the Court TV analysts say they were surprised the prosecution did so poorly with the ME considering he was at the end of their witnesses. I guess I took that to mean the last one and not nearing the end.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:46 pm to AMS
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clearly referred to given circumstances, not any possible circumstance.
Clearly you don't have a clue by claiming that Floyds fentanyl level being to low to OD and the ME saying you're wrong.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:46 pm to AMS
AMS- I hope I am not mucking up your argument, but is it as simple as this?:
Cop subdues and restrains 90 yr old who dies from the stress. Yes, the person was old and frail and had a bad heart. But the sub & res still directly contributed to the death. Which is homicide.
The sub & rest directly caused the death along with whatever health conditions the individual brought to the table.
Cop subdues and restrains 90 yr old who dies from the stress. Yes, the person was old and frail and had a bad heart. But the sub & res still directly contributed to the death. Which is homicide.
The sub & rest directly caused the death along with whatever health conditions the individual brought to the table.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:47 pm to LightMerchant
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Cop subdues and restrains 90 yr old who dies from the stress. Yes, the person was old and frail and had a bad heart. But the sub & res still directly contributed to the death. Which is homicide.
Seems like manslaughter like that frat dude who killed that old frail black guy in New Orleans.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:51 pm to momentoftruth87
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Contributing factors means it wasn't all DC and it could be many reasons.
No, politely.
This is where I was going wrong.
It was DC AND other reasons.
It was his act COMBINED with other factors.
His act, along with other things, resulted in a death. His act resulted in a death, ergo, homicide.
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