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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:38 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:38 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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What was the subdual and restraint due to?
Come on, let's run this string out.
his arrest. still doesnt mean the subdual and restraint did not overwhelm GF causing death. what do you say about his belief that the subdual and restraint was the primary cause in the circumstances of his other contributory factors like pre-existing conditions and drugs.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:41 pm
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:39 pm to AMS
quote:Neither was a knee that the ME just testified didn’t cut off the airway.
obviously drugs didnt help, but they were not the cause of death.
I have many doubts that DC didn’t kill Floyd. What about you?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:39 pm to Bourre
This case is toast 
The clowns on HLN keep saying the ME said that Floyd died due to the knee on the neck.
The dude just testified that he died due to the stressfulness of being in the situation that he was in. Not due to a knee being on his neck
The clowns on HLN keep saying the ME said that Floyd died due to the knee on the neck.
The dude just testified that he died due to the stressfulness of being in the situation that he was in. Not due to a knee being on his neck
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to AMS
quote:Incorrect.
his arrest
Try again.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to AMS
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ah good catch. what other drug levels and factors were contributory in those overdose deaths?
Good question. The ME said that in the lower levels, as low as 3 ng/ml was because of a combination of fentanyl with other drugs. Which was Floyd's condition since he had a combination of at least fentanyl and methamphetamines in his blood.
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GF was overwhelmed due to the subdual and restraint. obviously drugs didnt help, but they were not the cause of death.
On the flip side I think it's reasonable to say that without the drugs and other issues that Floyd wouldn't have died while being restrained. Should Chauvin be convicted of manslaughter and/or murder 3? I say no because Chauvin had no way to know of those health issues and Floyd began saying "I can't breathe" prior to even being put on the ground so it is reasonable for the cops to discount his statements while on the ground. Especially since I'm sure they've dealt with other people saying that, as earlier police witnesses have testified people being arrested will say and do pretty much anything to try to not be arrested.
All of that, so far, points to reasonable doubt for me making Chauvin not guilty. You disagree that's perfectly fine and what America is about. But I wish you, and others, would stop bickering back and forth and just discuss the trial and testimony.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to AMS
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You missed him saying he certified " Overdose " with same or lower levels but good try.
You've said his levels were too low. ME says you're wrong. Still waiting on the response.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to SOSFAN
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Well thats at least 3 prosecution witnesses Nelson stole.
Definitely wouldn’t call this one “stolen.” This was an awesome exchange today. I’m guessing both will chalk it up as a win.
For prosecution: he still says that without Chauvin, he doesn’t believe GF would have died when he died. Cause of death in his mind is unchanged and is still a homicide. Could not rule it an OD based on all information he had and conversations with other experts. Admits he talked with many other experts before ruling.
For defense: admits he’s declared people with 30% of GF’s fentanyl levels, in their system an OD (does say circumstances make those different). Admits to absolutely no marks. Admits he doesn’t know symptoms of asphyxiation on “living patients”
Will be very interesting to hear how jurors sided on this witness post verdict
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:41 pm to AMS
quote:The drugs didn’t help or the heart condition or Covid or resisting arrest.
his arrest. still doesnt mean the subdual and restraint did not overwhelm GF causing death.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:42 pm to IT_Dawg
So now cops are supposed to diagnose heart disease, lung disease, and drug usage before they try to control an out of control criminal?
ETA: an out of control criminal who’s also lying.
ETA: an out of control criminal who’s also lying.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:43 pm to IT_Dawg
At the worst the defense is coming out equal to the prosecution and haven't even started their case. I think he has done enough, so far, that there is plenty of reasonable doubt.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:44 pm to PurpleFin
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So now cops are supposed to diagnose heart disease, lung disease, and drug usage before they try to control an out of control criminal?
I think the drug use part is the only portion of it that Chauvin, and others, should have been able to recognize. If I'm not misremembering something from earlier in the trial they were trained in recognizing when individuals were on drugs.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:44 pm to RT1941
I've never seen someone take a pounding like AMS and still come back for more. At this point, I think AMS is just pretending to believe what she posts.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:46 pm to SOSFAN
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You've said his levels were too low. ME says you're wrong. Still waiting on the response.
well they were too low according to the ME in the circumstances of the trial. the ME did not consider the death an overdose. he considered it homicide, not accidental.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:46 pm to MFn GIMP
Wow, a Federal Grand Jury is potentially going to indict Chauvin on civil rights issues? I think that is 100% going to happen if he is found not guilty and then get railroaded.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:46 pm to cable
Haven’t watched much of this trial, but what’s everyone’s opinion of the defense attorney? His style seems calm and non confrontational from what I have seen. Has he been this way the entire time?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:48 pm to SPEEDY
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what’s everyone’s opinion of the defense attorney?
Mick Jagger level rock star.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:48 pm to RT1941
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The drugs didn’t help or the heart condition or Covid or resisting arrest.
I agree and have never suggested otherwise. I have claimed the subdual and restraint portion was more significant and causal. which the ME has supported.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:48 pm to PurpleFin
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Didn’t the ME just say the knee wouldn’t have caused asphyxiation? How is his cause of death still homicide?
Homicide can be unintentional, justified, or up to murder which requires intent. His opinion on cause of death which pretty much can only be natural, suicide, accidental, or homicide only really means it wasn't the other ones. It does not necessarily mean DC killed him and his liable for it. Also, he isn't going to change is opinion now.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:49 pm to SPEEDY
There has been enough doubt for a hung jury and the defense hasn’t even presented his case yet
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm to AMS
It’s a “homicide” only because he died while in police custody.
Homicide in the medical sense. Not the legal sense.
Homicide in the medical sense. Not the legal sense.
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