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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm to MFn GIMP
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm to MFn GIMP
Agreed but recognizing a drug overdose in the setting of all of these other health issues, especially in the heat of the moment with an out of control criminal, is a tall task.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm to IT_Dawg
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he still says that without breaking the law, he doesn’t believe GF would have died when he died. Cause of death in his mind is unchanged and is still a homicide. Could not rule it an OD based on all information he had and conversations with other experts. Admits he talked with many other experts before ruling.
Chauvin isn't the "without." Chauvin is the response to a choice he made. Could he have survived sitting at home and nearly ODing? Maybe, but that's not the situation he put himself in.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:51 pm to PurpleFin
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Agreed but recognizing a drug overdose in the setting of all of these other health issues, especially in the heat of the moment with an out of control criminal, is a tall task.
I don't disagree. I just think that if anything "gets" Chauvin that is what it will be.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:55 pm to MFn GIMP
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I don't disagree. I just think that if anything "gets" Chauvin that is what it will be
Which is crazy to me because medical professionals, with time to study all of the facts, lab work, and autopsy in a relaxed setting can’t come to an agreement. But a police officer is supposed to diagnose all of this correctly on the street and accommodate the criminal differently? Come on.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:55 pm to Rebel
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It’s a “homicide” only because he died while in police custody.
Homicide in the medical sense. Not the legal sense.
I agree with your medical/legal sense differentiation. the legal sense is determined in the trial.
its medically determined to be homicide because the subdual and restraint was the most causal factor in the death (other factors like drugs/conditions may contribute).
I disagree that its only bc he 'was in police custody'
if he was in handcuffs and jumped off a bridge that would be suicide not homicide.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:56 pm to MFn GIMP
Is there a list of upcoming witnesses testifying for the defense?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:57 pm to Yellerhammer5
Not a public one...
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:58 pm to AMS
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if he was in handcuffs and jumped off a bridge that would be suicide not homicide.
In all seriousness what's the difference between that and what happened here? Without being in police custody the person in your example probably wouldn't have jumped off the bridge. Shouldn't the police who should have restrained him be liable for the death? If they properly restrained the perp he wouldn't have been able to jump off the bridge.
ETA: In Floyd's case if he was never arrested for being high and using counterfeit bills he wouldn't have been restrained. If he wasn't being arrested he wouldn't have swallowed more pills that, per the ME, did contribute to his death. So either both are examples of manslaughter/murder or neither are.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:58 pm to MFn GIMP
If you can say I can’t breathe then you clearly can breathe
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:59 pm to AMS
You are thinking of it incorrectly.
He didn’t die from cardio pulmonary arrest because of being in police custody.
He died from cardio pulmonary arrest while in police custody.
That’s the definition for homicide in medical terms.
He didn’t die from cardio pulmonary arrest because of being in police custody.
He died from cardio pulmonary arrest while in police custody.
That’s the definition for homicide in medical terms.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:00 pm to AMS
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well they were too low according to the ME in the circumstances
But you have stated that Floyds level was too low to OD period. Now that you know that you're wrong are you willing to accept you might be wrong about other opinions you have of this trial or do you still want Chauvin to be found guilty no matter what?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:01 pm to SOSFAN
Done for the day!
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:02 pm to ElTigre
Was that the last witness for the prosecution?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:03 pm to SOSFAN
Why is every case of “police brutality” involve sketchy people who do hood rat type of shite?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:03 pm to MFn GIMP
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Was that the last witness for the prosecution
I don't think so.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:04 pm to lsucoonass
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Why is every case of “police brutality” involve sketchy people who do hood rat type of shite?
Because you don't see the police in neighborhoods with law abiding citizens that work their arse off all week to pay their bills.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:04 pm to Rebel
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You are thinking of it incorrectly.
He didn’t die from cardio pulmonary arrest because of being in police custody.
He died from cardio pulmonary arrest while in police custody.
That’s the definition for homicide in medical terms.
That’s not a homicide in medical terms.
A homicide is an injury or poisoning or from a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death.
Someone who has a heart attack from coronary artery disease, for instance, in police custody would be a natural death.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:05 pm to SOSFAN
George Floyd family member will testify
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:05 pm to Freauxzen
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Chauvin isn't the "without." Chauvin is the response to a choice he made. Could he have survived sitting at home and nearly ODing? Maybe, but that's not the situation he put himself in.
I think you all need to read the language again for the manslaughter charge against Chauvin.
"culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another."
Everyone agrees GF was a criminal, POS, took drugs, fought with police, had crazy heart issues, excellerated the heart issues by struggling and drugs. However, the point is, Chauvin had his knee on the upper back area of GF for 9 mins.
We can also all agree that Chauvin made the decision to keep his knee of GF for the entire time, many minutes after GF passed out as well. No one was holding the knee down or even telling him to keep it there.
Now, the question becomes, which the ME claims, did Chauvins actions contribute to the death of GF while being an unreasonable risk to GF.
I believe the prosecution has done enough to prove that to some people. I don’t think they’ve proved it to me, but I’m not on the jury.
However, we aren’t done yet. Like I said, both sides will claim victory today and they both likely have a case. We still have the defense to go and closing arguments.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:06 pm to MFn GIMP
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In all seriousness what's the difference between that and what happened here?
because we are discussing medical vs legal definitions
medically the difference would be suicide jumping off a cliff vs homicide due to subdual and restraint.
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Without being in police custody the person in your example probably wouldn't have jumped off the bridge. Shouldn't the police who should have restrained him be liable for the death?
legally they may be liable for his death in some type of way, but medically it would be a suicide not a homicide.
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