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Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:19 am to jennBN
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I administer fentanyl IV daily. If a pt receives too much they don't yell I can't breathe. They just go out.
You aren't administering fentanyl to patients that are also high on methamphetamine as well I wouldn't think.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:21 am to IAmNERD
quote:She makes them resist first. You know, to get the blood pumping through those 90% clogged arteries.
You aren't administering fentanyl to patients that are also high on methamphetamine as well I wouldn't think.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:24 am to Yellerhammer5
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he ME who performed the initial autopsy is testifying.
ah, the guy who declared it was beyond recreational drug use
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:27 am to Yellerhammer5
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Dr Baker, the ME who performed the initial autopsy is testifying
Is it possible that the trial is won or lost today with his testimony...
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:29 am to IAmNERD
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high on methamphetamine
The methamphetamine level was really not very high - pretty close to therapeutic range. If the pill was supposed to be a goofball, GF should have really gotten his counterfeit money back.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:33 am to WaWaWeeWa
I have said this from day one. Watching the cops with the people surrounding them screaming and yelling. GF is at fault first and foremost, then the crowd has the rest of the culpability for his death. Had those people let the cops do their job and expedite the situation ems would have been able to access him much sooner. Watch Chauvin, the whole time his eyes are on the crowd and is tensed up monitoring the crowd. They took away his ability to focus on Floyd the last few minutes of the interaction. They should be the ones charged before chauvin. Most are focused on the knee and chauvin on him, but that’s not the totality of the circumstances. The crowd removed his and the other cops abilities to deal with Floyd quickly. It was a chaotic scene that didn’t have to be that way.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:36 am to BeerThirty
It’s almost like people think rules don’t apply to them then don’t know how to act reasonably when they are applied.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:39 am to Yellerhammer5
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he methamphetamine level was really not very high -
that's what we're told by experts
they also admitted that each person responds different to different levels of drugs
when you mix drugs together and take this understanding with the fact he allegedly " had a high tolerance to Fentanyl" , and his drug dealer was giving him bad or impure drugs, it's a unique cocktail... no way a medical examiner can paint the juror all facts correctly after the person is dead purely on blood work.
I maintain you have to watch Floyd in action to gain understanding what the drugs are doing to him in the moment, and what he says... He felt could not breathe, he also said he took to many pills, and we find evidence of pills in the back seat...
5 minutes later, he's tapped out
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:46 am to Yellerhammer5
I do not understand why the defense did not object to the Irish pulmonology expert offering cause of death opinions. He's clearly not a Medical Examiner and the defense surely could have exposed his lack of expertise in the field of medicolegal death investigation, much less cause of death reporting and certification.
For example, a certified and legally appointed ME will always include underlying causes, will not refer to such mechanical outcomes such as 'heart stopped beating' or 'breathing stopped' as a cause of death, and will always include underlying conditions/causes - such as drug use, toxicology, disease, or comorbidities.
Check out the national ME standards and reporting requirements as set forth by our beloved CDC - pages 11-24, specifically.
Was a real failure by the defense upon cross of the Irishman, IMO...
For example, a certified and legally appointed ME will always include underlying causes, will not refer to such mechanical outcomes such as 'heart stopped beating' or 'breathing stopped' as a cause of death, and will always include underlying conditions/causes - such as drug use, toxicology, disease, or comorbidities.
Check out the national ME standards and reporting requirements as set forth by our beloved CDC - pages 11-24, specifically.
Was a real failure by the defense upon cross of the Irishman, IMO...
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:48 am to ApexTiger
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that's what we're told by experts
they also admitted that each person responds different to different levels of drugs
Because they were asked “do you agree that each person responds different to different levels of drugs.” The answer is yes, but that doesn’t mean you can’t draw some conclusions based on drug levels, it just means that it’s not an exact science.
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when you mix drugs together and take this understanding with the fact he allegedly " had a high tolerance to Fentanyl" , and his drug dealer was giving him bad or impure drugs, it's a unique cocktail... no way a medical examiner can paint the juror all facts correctly after the person is dead purely on blood work.
They literally tested the drugs themselves, so they know exactly what is in them as well as what was detected in GF.
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I maintain you have to watch Floyd in action to gain understanding what the drugs are doing to him in the moment, and what he says... He felt could not breathe, he also said he took to many pills, and we find evidence of pills in the back seat...
That’s fine, I’m sure the defense will have an expert witness that will testify that it looks like an overdose.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:04 am to Yellerhammer5
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They literally tested the drugs themselves, so they know exactly what is in them as well as what was detected in GF.
They tested the irregular shaped pills found in the back seat of the police SUV? I've not heard that
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:08 am to Yellerhammer5
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That’s fine, I’m sure the defense will have an expert witness that will testify that it looks like an overdose.
Well...the first one done is way different than the next 3.
Why is that?
That Floyd was dead longer?
Not sure how the blood work works under different autopsys on different dates ...
But "trust the science" is mocked because of these exact situations...
All experts involved...but their conclusions are very different.
So which is right?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:12 am to ApexTiger
quote:I lean toward the guy who did it as part of his employment and duty to the public as opposed to the ones who did it for money, attention, or other personal gains which no doubt influence bias.
So which is right?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:13 am to SOSFAN
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Is it possible that the trial is won or lost today with his testimony...
That’s what I’m wondering. Is today going to be judgment day?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:15 am to Abraham H Parnassis
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The Taylor case has the element of no-knock warrants
Explain this one to me, please.
basically it allows the cops to bust in without announcing themselves or anything (oversimplification). With that case, the initial argument was that they were just defending themselves as they didn't know it was the cops busting in, just someone kicking down their door so they started shooting.
Well, that story was demolished because even though the cops had a no-knock warrant, it was proven that they did indeed knock, announce themselves, and when they were no allowed in, the knocked in the door.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
we getting started soon?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:23 am to SOSFAN
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Is it possible that the trial is won or lost today with his testimony...
Doubtful. Defense hasn't even put a witness on unless Nelson gets him to say something fatal.
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