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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:12 pm to Yellerhammer5
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:12 pm to Yellerhammer5
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The pulmonologist said he died of compression of the hypopharynx because he is a pulmonologist
Appeal to authority
All of this could have been avoided from the beginning if you would have just admitted you can’t explain the pulmonologist’s hypothesis.
That was my point from the beginning
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:16 pm to RazorBroncs
He may not have died had he just told them "yes I took xyz" and then he could have been treated accordingly by paramedics. Doesn't seem that hard.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Appeal to authority
I said he called it blockage of the airway because that is what he knows, not that he knows what killed GF because he’s a pulmonologist.
BTW, if you can say without doxxing yourself, what type of medicine do you practice? If you don’t want to say, that’s fine too.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:38 pm to Yellerhammer5
Cardiology
Would you at least admit that there are a lot of holes in the doctors argument? Nelson wasn’t prepared to expose him because he doesn’t have the knowledge base to do so without time to research. The prosecution knew this.
Would you at least admit that there are a lot of holes in the doctors argument? Nelson wasn’t prepared to expose him because he doesn’t have the knowledge base to do so without time to research. The prosecution knew this.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:44 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Most people who put themselves out there as an expert witness are going to have these types of personalities. The
True...but he said he watched the videos many times and then claimed he saw no issue with Floyd's behavior?
"No OD"
Ok then why did Floyd beg to get out and lye down in the street " because I can't breathe" if he didn't feel anything but a nice recreational high as he suggested?
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Would you at least admit that there are a lot of holes in the doctors argument?
In my opinion, his testimony was very rigid and specific for someone analyzing camera footage. Formulas and calculations can have their place, but in the real world there’s too many variables to apply them in that manner.
I’m sure there are plenty of pulmonologists who would testify differently, and some who agree with him.
I’m curious to see what medical professionals the defense brings in.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Would you at least admit that there are a lot of holes in the doctors argument?
I am not medical personnel. I heard him say that 90% blockage would not impede blood flow. Is that true, or was he just pushing the agenda he so clearly has?
I do not feel he is there, gratis, to enhance his resume'. A hundred year old Dr. must be wealthy already. He also teaches, has been an expert in 50+ civil cases, at $500 per hour.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:49 pm to Hangit
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I am not medical personnel. I heard him say that 90% blockage would not impede blood flow. Is that true, or was he just pushing the agenda he so clearly has?
He was correct there.
Remember the coronary arteries supply blood to the heart. So if the blockages reduced blood flow then he would have had a heart attack, it would have anything to do with his breathing. On autopsy there was not evidence of heart attack... which is pretty reliable.
The blockage of coronary arteries angle is not a good defense IMO
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:49 pm to Hangit
My buddy coded on the table with less blockage. As a non medical professional I can’t imagine that to be totally accurate.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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On autopsy there was not evidence of heart attack... which is pretty reliable.
Autopsies are not reliable for acute heart attacks. You need to be alive for hours before you will see changes.
He did not have any evidence of remote ischemic events though.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:58 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Autopsies are not reliable for acute heart attacks. You need to be alive for hours before you will see changes.
True, but there is enough controversy there that it doesn’t make it a good argument. Now if one of the defense witnesses wants to bring that up it would be worthwhile.
I should have clarified that I don’t think it’s a good topic to bring up on cross examination
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:14 pm to AMS
quote:I never said it was a heart attack, but I could see how an arse-ignorant cocksucker such as yourself would struggle with reading.
90% vessel blockage is not 100%.
90% vessel blockage is when you schedule non-emergency surgery to open it back up.
In other words 90% aint a heart attack, but I could see how the uninformed would view it as significant
So according to you, 90% blockage in an artery is not significant?
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:17 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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How is Crowder still alive? Dude must be fricking Superman.
People think Crowder is out of line but this is exactly what defense needs to do. This has been done thousands of times in arrests at some point and how many have died. YES, it was on there too long but having a jury see it live and have a person talking will be the more damaging to prosecution than anything an ME could say.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:26 pm to RealDawg
I'm curious how they prove force when there was no bruising
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:27 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I just watched a 20 something minute video that shows a great angle. You can here the cops talking, too. It's a fricked up situation, for sure.
My thoughts.
Floyd was out of his mind. I guess you call that a panic attack when no drugs are involved. On drugs, idk what you call it. Cops want him to just get in the car. He is carrying on saying he can't breath and is claustrophobic, both of which are clearly not true.
So they get him on the ground and he is still carrying on. Knee on the neck. Not full pressure as far as I can tell. But he is tense and writhing. But he is restrained.
And he is clearly breathing and continuing to say shite. Cops are actively discussing that he is, in fact, breathing. One cop brings up excited delerium, and the other cop says no it's okay that's why we have him on his stomach. They clearly don't think they are doing anything wrong.
And then the crowd starts in. I think you can actually see in the video that Floyd stops breathing around the time the crowd hits a fever pitch. And for like a minute, in response to the crowd, the cops check for pulse. Not sure if they found one. And then bam the EMTs show up and it's over.
Didn't seem like the knee was keeping him from breathing, but then SOMETHING stopped his breathing.
I don't think knee on neck guy is any more guilty than any of the others. That's not a legal opinion. That's moral. I think they were all aligned and working together. And didn't think they were going to kill the guy. Obviously.
I think the crowd distracted and actually changed the behavior of the cops. I think for a couple minutes the cops were not focused on Floyd but were focused on defending themselves from the arguments and potential approach by the crowd. They kind of got their pride up, like we will show you we aren't doing anything wrong by keeping on doing it, and it will be fine, kind of thing.
You have to wonder if Floyd would still be alive if people hasn't been there watching, which is ironic. Certainly not saying it was the crowd's fault. Wasn't their knee or their drugs, and in the end it's the cops' jobs to apprehend reasonably under the circumstances.
fricked up situation.
My thoughts.
Floyd was out of his mind. I guess you call that a panic attack when no drugs are involved. On drugs, idk what you call it. Cops want him to just get in the car. He is carrying on saying he can't breath and is claustrophobic, both of which are clearly not true.
So they get him on the ground and he is still carrying on. Knee on the neck. Not full pressure as far as I can tell. But he is tense and writhing. But he is restrained.
And he is clearly breathing and continuing to say shite. Cops are actively discussing that he is, in fact, breathing. One cop brings up excited delerium, and the other cop says no it's okay that's why we have him on his stomach. They clearly don't think they are doing anything wrong.
And then the crowd starts in. I think you can actually see in the video that Floyd stops breathing around the time the crowd hits a fever pitch. And for like a minute, in response to the crowd, the cops check for pulse. Not sure if they found one. And then bam the EMTs show up and it's over.
Didn't seem like the knee was keeping him from breathing, but then SOMETHING stopped his breathing.
I don't think knee on neck guy is any more guilty than any of the others. That's not a legal opinion. That's moral. I think they were all aligned and working together. And didn't think they were going to kill the guy. Obviously.
I think the crowd distracted and actually changed the behavior of the cops. I think for a couple minutes the cops were not focused on Floyd but were focused on defending themselves from the arguments and potential approach by the crowd. They kind of got their pride up, like we will show you we aren't doing anything wrong by keeping on doing it, and it will be fine, kind of thing.
You have to wonder if Floyd would still be alive if people hasn't been there watching, which is ironic. Certainly not saying it was the crowd's fault. Wasn't their knee or their drugs, and in the end it's the cops' jobs to apprehend reasonably under the circumstances.
fricked up situation.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:28 pm to RealDawg
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People think Crowder is out of line but this is exactly what defense needs to do. This has been done thousands of times in arrests at some point and how many have died. YES, it was on there too long but having a jury see it live and have a person talking will be the more damaging to prosecution than anything an ME could say.
Imagine Nelson giving a 9 minute 30 second closing argument under the knee of someone else
It would be an Oscar winning moment in the movie that would eventually be written if Hollywood wasn’t so woke
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:31 pm to baybeefeetz
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You have to wonder if Floyd would still be alive if people hasn't been there watching, which is ironic. Certainly not saying it was the crowd's fault. Wasn't their knee or their drugs, and in the end it's the cops' jobs to apprehend reasonably under the circumstances.
I thought this as well. How ironic.
Your post perfectly summarizes the way I saw it play out.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:53 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Well since you seem reasonable ...
To me it seems like the two paths to reasonable doubt are drugs and lack of sustained pressure by the knee. I don't see how the defense can create reasonable doubt on that, even though I strongly question whether the knee cut off air or blood supply. From what I can see in the videos, it looks like not a ton of pressure, but I get the sense I'm on an island on that.
But the drugs thing seems like a realistic path at first, but then would he have died from OD that quickly? I guess if he didn't actually die out there on the street but died later, drugs is still a possible path.
Fascinating case, and I'm starting to get obsessed. Wish I had time to follow the trial like you guys.
To me it seems like the two paths to reasonable doubt are drugs and lack of sustained pressure by the knee. I don't see how the defense can create reasonable doubt on that, even though I strongly question whether the knee cut off air or blood supply. From what I can see in the videos, it looks like not a ton of pressure, but I get the sense I'm on an island on that.
But the drugs thing seems like a realistic path at first, but then would he have died from OD that quickly? I guess if he didn't actually die out there on the street but died later, drugs is still a possible path.
Fascinating case, and I'm starting to get obsessed. Wish I had time to follow the trial like you guys.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:03 pm to baybeefeetz
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But the drugs thing seems like a realistic path at first, but then would he have died from OD that quickly? I guess if he didn't actually die out there on the street but died later, drugs is still a possible path.
Nelson nailed this today but it was somewhat overlooked because everyone was impressed with the medical expert.
Nelson had the expert confirm that the peak effect of fentanyl after ingestion is 5 minutes. The expert didn’t know that it was recently revealed a half eaten pill was found in the back of the cop car with Floyd’s saliva on it. The expert had previously stated he believes Floyd died approximately 5 minutes after he was in the back of the cop car.
It was the highlight of the day for me. I’m not sure why it wasn’t talked about more.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:07 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Yep, Nelson is way more relatable than the prosecution who has terrible witnesses and paid money opinions, which is BS. I don't have a problem w uniforms, but that EMT chick should get reprimanded for how embarrassing she was. She also made EMTs look bad and called out the EMS System.
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