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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
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People in this thread that have never served on a jury have no clue how much weight this carries. All it takes is one
It takes one holdout to hang a jury. It takes 12 not guilty votes to achieve an acquittal.
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:29 pm to davyjones
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Based on what we (the people that have actually been following this trial so far) cannot see how a unanimous jury can see any evidence that proves he is guilty of the charges.
Besides a video of DC with his knee appearing to be pinning GF down by the neck area, and the asphyxiation purportedly being a contributing factor in his death. Regardless of whether one agrees with that alleged evidence, that's why the state brought charges. Chauvin will need a medical expert to convince the jury that the death was proximately due to an OD, and we haven't gotten there yet.
There’s been multiple things come to light that I think make a jury pause a bit. The beyond reasonable doubt standard is definitely going to be hard to overcome for the prosecution if the jury is impartial.
1.) Video shows he wasn’t actually on his neck but on the shoulder blade much of the time. Debunks the 9 min 29 seconds talking point.
2.) George Floyd on camera resisting arrest. Several experts said he was resisting although not the whole time.
3.) GF on tape saying he can’t breathe before he’s in the prone position. He’s saying it the whole arrest. Leads one believe the drugs were causing his shortness or breath or he was lying.
4.) GF on tape saying he “took too many pills”.
These are all points made so far that really hurt the prosecution case.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:30 pm to Womski
The high level of Co2 in his body could have been attributed to the drugs. A doctor testified to this. The autopsy showed his lungs weighed 2-3 times more than normal. He had heart disease with blockage and sickle cell anemia. Then add in the hysteria of going to jail and mix it all together and thats what ended his life.
The gf testified that his physical symptoms were the exact same as his overdose in march. Floyd spoke for 15 minutes non-stop while saying he can't breathe which is medically impossible. The knee on the neck for over 9 minutes has been disproved.
All of this together is at worst reasonable doubt and at best not guilty.
The gf testified that his physical symptoms were the exact same as his overdose in march. Floyd spoke for 15 minutes non-stop while saying he can't breathe which is medically impossible. The knee on the neck for over 9 minutes has been disproved.
All of this together is at worst reasonable doubt and at best not guilty.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:32 pm to davyjones
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It takes one holdout to hang a jury. It takes 12 not guilty votes to achieve an acquittal.
My prediction from day 2-3 was a hung/mistrial. I can’t see any other possible way they unanimously convict him
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:33 pm to davyjones
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takes one holdout to hang a jury. It takes 12 not guilty votes to achieve an acquittal.
And it takes 12 guilty votes for a guilty verdict.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:34 pm to tigereye58
It's definitely far from a straightforward case, I fully agree with that. But as was mentioned a moment ago, reasonable doubt.....that's not proof beyond all possible doubt that the state must prove. Just beyond a reasonable doubt. Their case doesn't have to be perfect, but yes if there are too many imperfections, the jury may not agree on a verdict. I believe a hung jury would be more likely than an all out acquittal.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:34 pm to davyjones
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Chauvin will need a medical expert to convince the jury that the death was proximately due to an OD, and we haven't gotten there yet.
Guilty until proven innocent. The new America.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
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My prediction from day 2-3 was a hung/mistrial. I can’t see any other possible way they unanimously convict him
I'm with you on that.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:36 pm to SOSFAN
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The high level of Co2 in his body could have been attributed to the drugs. A doctor testified to this. The autopsy showed his lungs weighed 2-3 times more than normal.
These are nonspecific findings of a dying person - not evidence supporting either overdose or asphyxia.
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sickle cell anemia
Sickle cell trait.
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Floyd spoke for 15 minutes non-stop while saying he can't breathe which is medically impossible.
People with shortness of breath often can and do speak.
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reasonable doubt
The prosecution definitely has a tough road ahead to remove “all reasonable doubt.”
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:38 pm to davyjones
It already appeared that the prosecution was forced to change their tatics and direction due to the job Nelson did last week on his redirects. If this was the prosecutions plan all along then it was very foolish and they look unprepared with no clear direction.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:38 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Guilty until proven innocent. The new America.
Unfortunately that's actually the same old America as always re: the criminal justice system. As a criminal defense attorney I can attest to much frustration in that regard, especially in the area of juries.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:40 pm to Womski
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Would Floyd have died no matter what based on the amount of drugs in his system?
If no, or we can’t say to a certainty, then I think the death would have to be attributable to the actions of the officer.
"We can't say to a certainty"?
Isn't that called reasonable doubt in the biz, in which you are apparently currently employed?
On top of that, you clearly haven't been watching the trial live and are just skimming sources if you can't see the mountain of reasonable doubt the defense has masterfully brought.
I'm a federal Marshal, and I condemned Chauvin after watching the original video released and claimed his actions were egregious, incorrect, and negligent and made LEO look bad.
But after more and more facts, videos, testimony, history, etc. have come to light, it's becoming pretty clear that Chauvin shouldn't be convicted of any charges if the jury weren't worried about any outside factors. Only reason they might convict of a lesser charge is pre-conceived biases they entered with, and pressure from the media and public.
Otherwise if this were a totally unknown incident on trial, Chauvin walks 100% without any charges
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:43 pm to Yellerhammer5
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supporting either overdose or asphyxia.
It was testified that the high level of CO2 points to asphyxia. The doctor then admitted the Fentanyl could have caused it.
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People with shortness of breath often can and do speak.
He never said " im having difficulty breathing " he said " I can't breathe " And shortness of breath would not allow you to speak loud and at machine gun pace without gasping for air.
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prosecution definitely has a tough road ahead to remove “all
Without some miracle witness that ship has sailed.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:47 pm to SOSFAN
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Trial was said to probably be about 4 weeks like and we just hit the week& a half.
This is entirely my thought and opinion and NOT fact or anything I have heard, but I think it will be short of the 4 weeks.
They are moving at an extremely good pace. The defense attorney and DAs get along great, which is very rare in a high profile case like this. There have been few big objections, limited sidebars, rare incidents where the jurors need to leave and they havent adjourned much for the day extrememly early.
I would guess the State will rest this week, first of next, defense will rest next week and we hear closing arguments end of next week or the following Monday/Tues.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:48 pm to IT_Dawg
I would agree with you. Great points.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:48 pm to SOSFAN
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He never said " im having difficulty breathing " he said " I can't breathe "
George “Merriam-Webster” Floyd.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:52 pm to Yellerhammer5
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George “Merriam-Webster” Floyd
Haha yea Floyd didn’t seem to be the most articulate person
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:54 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Haha yea Floyd didn’t seem to be the most articulate person
Lol No sh*t.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:57 pm to Womski
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And no, we’re not watching the trial.
then perhaps you should refrain from speaking from some level of authority that you know what killed George Floyd.
We are nearing the endo of the 2nd week of the trail. We know that 50 FBI agents investigated this case. There are 14 high profile attorneys working for the prosecution. At this point, the state has failed to meet any burden of proof that Chauvin is responsible for GF's death.
Every single one of the states witnesses has fallen apart under cross by Nelson.
It alarms me that you are an attorney and actually believe there was any level of police brutality.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:59 pm to Womski
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Would Floyd have died no matter what based on the amount of drugs in his system?
I mean yes, at some point, we all die.
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