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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:52 pm to
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Wait, the video showing her limp legs dragging across the ground as she’s carried toward the car leaves her ability to give consent to a gang bang as “unclear” to you?


She was raped immediately afterwards. I'm not aware of any magic potent that fixes heavy intoxication immediately.

From a public standpoint, its not really controversial.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:52 pm to
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Thats how you know Judge hasn't even been on 4chan.


I have standards. This place is raw enough.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:53 pm to
I'm not talking about news sites where a face is usually attached to a name.

quote:


OT or 4chan = anonymous posters and can discount those


Oh OK.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:55 pm to
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From a public standpoint, its not really controversial.


From a legal standpoint, it’s not a lock.

They wrote the statute this way for a reason. They could have said drunk sex is rape. (Many of us would not be alive but for drunk sex.)

Under the statute, you have to reach incapacity levels. And it has to be apparent that you were incapacitated, not just that you were very drunk.
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:00 pm to
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Go to Facebook WBRZ and WAFB. People are willing to have their names posted there so that'd be a gauge of their true opinion.


I've read them. Truly sad is how the comments are 99% divided by race. It's not even about the rape...its a black vs white issue.

There is no way in hell I'd be defending any of the rapists if they were white.

Even more sad, they are so caught up with black victimhood of the rapist that they are victim blaming even in the LP rape case where the victim is black (not sure many of them realize it yet, or if it would even matter)
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:00 pm to
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From a legal standpoint, it’s not a lock.


We're not even close to any legal situations developing, you're just going to learn that this board is about public opinion on this case, at this moment.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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We're not even close to any legal situations developing, you're just going to learn that this board is about public opinion on this case, at this moment.


If you want to dwell on that, be my guest.

I’m interested in real world questions. What is the strength of the case? What are the holes? What could come out that would change it?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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If you want to dwell on that, be my guest.



That's all we have dude.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:21 pm to
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That said, JAMAC2001 has a fair point. He didn’t attribute this attitude to the family post-crime. I thought others had, but I may be mistaken.
Many others have pointed fingers at the family

People are absolutely blaming the mother because some poster said she was an enabler based on some story he heard when Washington was 12….
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
63372 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:21 pm to
I agree in a jury trial there is no such thing a a slam dunk case. The jurors are a huge variable

But when I see that video of her feet dragging and know that probably 15 minutes later there may a video where she says sure in a terribly slurred voice and then she gets a train run on her

Yeah, I know it’s not a lock…
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:22 pm to
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But when I see that video of her feet dragging and know that probably 15 minutes later there may a video where she says sure in a terribly slurred voice and then she gets a train run on her


Correct, this board is about public opinion, we're not the jury with all the evidence.

Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:24 pm to
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§43. Third degree rape

            A. Third degree rape is a rape committed when the anal, oral, or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of a victim because it is committed under any one or more of the following circumstances:

            (1) When the victim is incapable of resisting or of understanding the nature of the act by reason of a stupor or abnormal condition of mind produced by an intoxicating agent or any cause and the offender knew or should have known of the victim's incapacity.


The investigators did a good job getting the perps to admit how drunk they believed Madison to be. (Slumped over, DRUNK drunk, etc.)

.319 would seem to qualify as 'stupor' level drunk.
But it is a good point that burden to prove it is on prosecutors.



Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35336 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
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Important point. That area needs to be cleaned up. I don't know how they start, but getting rid of the projects would probably be a good first step.
and nearly all section 8 and quit subsidizing the least productive members of society to have more and more kids.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
The clinch fact for me is the way she died. If she’s too drunk to stay off Burbank, she’s too drunk to consent.

The Uber driver’s testimony may become important here. Did she run into the street? Fall in front of him?

How incapacitated she was then will bear on the question of how incapacitated she was during sex.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1933 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
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Under the statute, you have to reach incapacity levels. And it has to be apparent that you were incapacitated, not just that you were very drunk.


Washington admitted that she was very drunk. He said she was "not just drunk, but drunk drunk." Plus, the 17 year old knew because he helped her off the floor in the video from Reggie's. Even the driver said he "hated" what was happening in the back seat.

It will be interesting to see what "Dr." Lee has to say about the evening. It seems at least 3 were very aware of her level of intoxication.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
63372 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
And as the dad of three daughters, if that were my kid and they escaped justice …I’m smart enough to play the long game, sometime over the next 10-15 years each perp would suffer some sort of life ending accident and in the most painful way possible
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291152 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:29 pm to
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If she’s too drunk to stay off Burbank, she’s too drunk to consent.


Has the driver of the vehicle been totally cleared?
Posted by lctiger
Member since Oct 2003
3432 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:30 pm to
Abnormal condition of mind produced by intoxicating agent is a slam dunk in this case
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
63372 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:30 pm to
I’m also waiting to see a toxicology report curious about what else was in her system other than alcohol?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35336 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:30 pm to
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The clinch fact for me is the way she died. If she’s too drunk to stay off Burbank, she’s too drunk to consent.

The Uber driver’s testimony may become important here. Did she run into the street? Fall in front of him?

How incapacitated she was then will bear on the question of how incapacitated she was during sex.
given the temps and precip that night, even if she hadn't been hit - she probably had about 3 hours before hypothermia would have gotten her if should we have passed out or just been drunk and wandering. being drunk speeds up hypothermia.
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