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re: Debate: Are unions what caused the United States to lose so many manufacturing jobs?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:26 pm to goinallout
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:26 pm to goinallout
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YES!!!! Why pay someone $200 an hour plus benefits plus WEEKS paid vacation when you can pay someone $10 a hour and get the same quality of work.
Well, if we're talking sweat shop costs that's more like 20 cents an hour.
No one, union or not, in the US is going to work for 20 cents an hour.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:26 pm to thadcastle
Likely a contributing factor but the biggest factor in my opinion was America’s willingness to turn a blind eye to slave labor conditions in shite hole countries so we could have cheap stuff.
Yes there was a wage disparity between here and “there” (pick your there) but it didn’t have to be this way. Unions crazy demands and BS politics are a factor but not the only one and maybe not even the main one.
Yes there was a wage disparity between here and “there” (pick your there) but it didn’t have to be this way. Unions crazy demands and BS politics are a factor but not the only one and maybe not even the main one.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:27 pm to Zappas Stache
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Otherwise, why didn't the majority of US manufacturing move to the southern US where there are Right to Work laws?
Industrial AC and population concentration in the north and Midwest are why initially, but look where all the new auto plants are popping up
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:27 pm to thadcastle
Partially. Greedy executives and lawmakers that paved the way for jobs to leave share the blame as well.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:28 pm to thadcastle
Those pesky child labor, sweat shop and company store type laws probably contributed.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well, if we're talking sweat shop costs that's more like 20 cents an hour.
No one, union or not, in the US is going to work for 20 cents an hour.
The rabbit hole here is our consumerism habits to a great extent as well. If we all weren't so hellbent on buying crap we don't need and go back to a simpler time we could begin to see a manufacturing resurgence I think. We all helped create this monster, IMO.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:33 pm to thadcastle
Combination of a lot of things. Probably some unions stuff but there are/were a ton of regulations on businesses from permitting, to drainage, to environmental impact studies.... all before the first survey stake was driven into the ground. Then you have all the operational regulations, numerous taxes, etc... shite seems to never end.
This stuff is virtually non-existent in a lot of countries.
This stuff is virtually non-existent in a lot of countries.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:33 pm to thadcastle
Louisiana hates unions
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:35 pm to thadcastle
Lol if you think that in a no union environment you'd be able to compete with cheap labor these companies are getting overseas, then you're dumb.
A contributing factor, certainly. But not THE.
A contributing factor, certainly. But not THE.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:38 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I agree 100%. I would rather pay a little more for stuff made in this country than having it come from elsewhere.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:39 pm to thadcastle
No
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:43 pm to thadcastle
Unions are not the only reason. A number of factors combined to make employing people in the US increasingly expensive and risky (Regulations, wage and hour liability, employment discrimination liability, etc). If you make something more expensive you get less of it.
US companies jumped at the chance to lower labor costs by moving jobs offshore. Politicians aided in the process by allowing this to happen. Both parties are complicit.
US companies jumped at the chance to lower labor costs by moving jobs offshore. Politicians aided in the process by allowing this to happen. Both parties are complicit.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:44 pm to TGFN57
I’ll never forget when we had to pay a teamster to drive our truck 40 yards from the gate to the worksite . Then they had an operator sitting in the elevator of the hospital to push the button to the 2nd floor . This went on for a year . Frick a union .
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:45 pm to TGFN57
Unions fought for way more than wages. Safety standards, benefits, paid vacation etc. Think if there were no more unions that all these businesses won’t start cutting back on these things? Do you think they give this out of the goodness of their hearts? Really?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:49 pm to Popths
I think that the companies would not start going back on safety standards because it’s now the law. I think some would start cutting back the other benefits, but they would see the beat people leave.
The problem I have with unions is that they make it really hard to fire incompetent employees. You pretty much have to racially or sexually assault someone, or be found of extreme gross negligence that resulted in loss of life to be fired from a lot of union jobs.
The problem I have with unions is that they make it really hard to fire incompetent employees. You pretty much have to racially or sexually assault someone, or be found of extreme gross negligence that resulted in loss of life to be fired from a lot of union jobs.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:54 pm to dukke v
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I would rather pay a little more for stuff made in this country
I love the people who say this.
A little bit more
Try probably double or triple.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:54 pm to Popths
quote:Well, if they want to compete for the labor then yes they would.
Think if there were no more unions that all these businesses won’t start cutting back on these things? Do you think they give this out of the goodness of their hearts? Really?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:55 pm to DomincDecoco
quote:OP edited. Thread originally read
as opposed to tighters?
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Are unions what caused the United States to loose so many manufacturing jobs?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Yeah it's bullshite. People talk the talk but won't walk.
I love the people who say this.
A little bit more
Try probably double or triple.
Yeah you may start paying attention a little more and buy American but people be back to sort price from Low to High after a month or two.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:57 pm to thadcastle
No, Unions are what built a stable middle class in the industrial Midwest. Even Henry Ford realized that he had to pay his employees enough to afford a Model T if he wanted to sell them all over the country. Unions extended that throughout the country, leveling the playing field and preventing robber barons who wanted to pay slave wages, enforce 12-hour workdays and use child labor from undercutting everyone else. Greedy corporations outsourcing jobs is what destroyed American manufacturing. You can't have a "Rust Belt" if there was nothing there to rust away in the first place.
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