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Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:51 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:51 am to
Good luck. My mom had depression for 10 plus years, and still has anxiety issues. You can't talk to her about it, and there's no way in hell she will ever see a therapist.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
12242 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:01 pm to
Something we ran into with my FIL who had been diagnosed with dementia. He had four medicines prescribed, and a notebook to record when he took them. Then holy hell broke loose when he came to the last page of the notebook. He stopped taking the medicine because he'd filled all the pages of the book, and to him that meant that the course of medicine was done. And after that he flat out refused to take any more pills. And the doctor could not change his mind.

Lesson: use a book to which you can add pages. You have no way of understanding how his mind is/isn't working.

In sympathy with your situation. I am your Dad's age and I have a very good friend, our age, who is in New Orleans and who hasn't been the same since Katrina. He has no local family and is getting worse and refuses to plan for his future. He's losing touch with reality and we are a ten hour drive away. We still have friends down there who we can ask to check on him, but he's approaching a shallow end of the bell curve of what's normal.
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:06 pm to
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you can find something that is strand specific, I would recommend anything that is sativa. Also, I'm pretty sure you could do away with half of his medications once he gets the ganja. His BP will come down, anxiety will diminish... he may get diabetes from having the munchies though.


My buddy brought back some edibles from Colorado. Those things worked wonders on my anxiety. Usually I have bad anxiety from weed.
Posted by The Great McGinty
Member since Jan 2017
1384 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:08 pm to
Get him off all those pills. Geez... pills for heart health are one thing, but crazy pills will make a person insane if they don't need them. He may have just had a temporary break with the flood and don't need mess anymore.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:17 pm to
Honestly, I'd look into getting him on CBD oil.
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:39 pm to
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Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15253 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:34 pm to
Hey nurse. You're in the field.

Have all his hormones checked. This includes his estradiol.

I had major endocrine problems related to medication for a chronic illness.

Suffered for years and they put me on testosterone. My hormones were all fricked. Still felt agitated and nervous. Especially after an injection.

Then I found out my eatradiol was like 4 times what it should have been. Once we got that down its unreal. No more worries. Relaxed. They kept trying to cram anxiety meds in me that I wouldn't take cause they are mostly crap.

Find a good endo. You'll save his life
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:40 pm to
How old is he? I’ve got a 63yo mother in law that I’d love to set him up with. That way they can obsess about trivial bullshite while we can sit back and finally breathe.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:41 pm to
He is 69 but I would imagine my mom would prefer to stay married to him
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:42 pm to
get your mom a boob job,, men love big tits
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:32 pm to
A friend of mine posted this today on Facebook. I don't know anything about it, but maybe the info will be helpful.

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Many caring people have responded to my brother's post about depression.

Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain and robs individuals of experiencing happiness, excitement, etc. This mood disorder interferes with everyday life. Individuals may feel overwhelming sadness and be unable to feel happiness. People do not choose to be depressed.

I am an RN and have two fairly new treatment options to suggest.

NeuroStar TMS Therapy is an FDA-cleared safe and effective non-drug depression treatment for patients who are not satisfied with the results of standard drug therapy. This novel treatment option provides benefits without the side effects often associated with antidepressant medication.

The TMS treatment is expensive and is covered by most insurance companies, including Medicare. The treatment has been available for 8-10 years, yet not widely known. It is safe with virtually no side effects. Patients report marked improvement, and often are able to discontinue the meds. There is a lot of information online about the treatment, including patient comments.

The other is genetic testing that determines what drugs you process for depression, ADHD, ADD, anti-inflammatories and pain meds. The company providing the testing is GeneSight-it is a cheek swab performed by your physician. This testing saves weeks/months of trying out meds to see if they work.

Both company's web sites can help you find a provider .
Posted by damnedoldtigah
Middle of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
4275 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:54 pm to
He's not that many years ahead of me. Part of what you describe sounds like a bit of a personality disorder, part of what you describe sounds like PTSD, and part of it sounds like clinical depression along with an old tiger contemplating his demise. After middle age, males go to contemplating their demise (not in terms of suicide, but just in terms of the end is coming). Literature shows that meds and therapy are the most effective combination. However, some other things need to be ruled out first, an M.D. specializing in neuro-cognitive disorders is a reasonable step. If it is dementia related, some medications might be more helpful than others in managing it. It's not going to be cured. Another thing I do is regardless of my other specialists, I run all scripts through my family physician so one person is looking at everything I am taking. Some behavioral changes could include getting him to accomplish at least one thing (no matter how small) on a bad day, three things on a good day, and five on a great day. Over a period of time, behavioral changes can help in re-wiring the brain just a little. Also, spending a certain amount of time outside each day, and talking to at least one other human being outside of the household in person each day. I would have to know more about your father's history to offer much in-depth. Also, there are some types of dementia where docs just script anti-psychotics which actually make matters worse than better. You already know this, but get him a good physical, a good neurological work-up, a good psychological, and psychiatric. Given that you are a medical professional, you are in a good position to put the pieces of those exams together to get a more complete picture of what is going on.

One other little tidbit, on those days he just wants to stay in bed, try to at least get him to get out of the bed and sit on a couch. Keep everything well lit during the day, as depressives prefer darkness or dim lighting, which further fuels the downward spiral.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:39 pm to
Taking care of his anxiety and depression obviously needs to happen, but he gets no pass for any bad behavior towards loved ones. He needs to be called out for that and know that won't fly regardless of how he is feeling.

He does need to find hobbies to help fill his idle time rather than spending it thinking up bad outcomes and feeding his fear. Excercise is good, but doesn't cure all, but needs to happen just the same. He should not get a pass just sitting around, he owes you as a family to do all he can.

Getting mental healthcare will help him a lot, but he needs to do his part. You wanting to help him and loving him unconditionally is a very good thing. Hold him accountable always though. Good luck and I know I probably offered you little in ways of help.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:48 pm to
I don't have any experience in this situation myself, I'm just here to say that anyone who downvoted your post has issues of his own. Best of luck.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:35 pm to
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but he gets no pass for any bad behavior towards loved ones. He needs to be called out for that and know that won't fly regardless of how he is feeling.


I agree 100%. He was just telling me the other day that I need to tell my mom to be nicer to him. I said I can talk to her but did he ever think that the way he is all the time (all doom and gloom) really wears down on others. I get worn out just talking to him on the phone for an hour...I can only imagine how worn out my mom and siblings that live with him are. I swear sometimes he thinks he really does nothing wrong ever. At first I used to be more forgiving ...now I will be quick to call him out on his behavior(but try to do it in as loving of a manner as possible).


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Getting mental healthcare will help him a lot, but he needs to do his part.


I've also stressed this as well. I've made the same suggestions to him over and over about exercising and finding something as a stress reliever. His PCP even said he has to start walking so he can lose a little bit of weight. I try using that as well to remind him. I had a chat with my mom as well and told her that her and my brother and sister need to make him go take a walk. My brother and sister just need to take turns and go with him. My dad has health issues that makes walking long distances wear him out. So they could go with him and push his fold up transport wheelchair in case he gets tired and needs a quick break to sit down. Kept stressing to my dad that he can just start small and every day aim to walk just a little further. That is what is frustrating...him not being more cooperative when it comes to stuff like that.


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Good luck and I know I probably offered you little in ways of help.



That's ok, I just appreciate any advice at this point. Dealing with my dad takes a huge toll on me. It has stressed me out so much at times I feel like I need therapy as well just to deal with it all.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:30 pm to
Dealing with the same.

Tried multiple approaches, for about 15 years now.

Have decided to focus on preserving autonomy and ability to live/function independently for parent. Even that is difficult. Other things secondary to that. Last thing I want to see is for parent to finish out time on earth being dependent and not in control. Depressed / apathetic etc is one thing. At least do it on one's own terms. Better than being in a facility or having to depend entirely on someone else and so forth. In a way, the depressed and apathetic state is comfortable for them. It seems that is better than to be uncomfortable, to feel inadequate to an even greater degree, etc.

I think for most people it's a self-loathing thing. Dont' want to add to that.
Posted by shamrock
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
4162 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:44 pm to
Control what you can control, offer advice and be supportive..then be there for your mom. You can’t let his life control yours and others as he has to want to help himself. Don’t become co dependent or an enabler, that’s the hard part but it ultimately gives him control as well. I’m a doc and have dealt with similar issues with my parents as well so I can empathize with you, hang in there.
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