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re: DARPA Selects Aurora Flight Sciences for Phase 2 of Active Flow Control X-Plane

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Posted by Stexas
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Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted by Tortious
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:59 pm to
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I'd love to see a Russian AI.


It probably wears Addis tracksuits.
Posted by aileron
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:59 pm to
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How do you control air flow if nothing exterior can be manipulated ?


Air jets manipulate the pressure and leading edge vortices on the top of the wings. Do you even Bernoulli bruh?
Posted by bgtiger
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:29 pm to
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Rogan interviewed an investigative reporter recently who spent several years investigating DARPA & it's scary. Not only what's on the drawing table and what's being tested but also who is pulling the purse strings.


These are the UFO’s, and also why the Military almost never shoots them down
Posted by HerkFlyer
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 11:03 pm to
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aileron

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This was basically my master's thesis about 20 years ago. I'd better check for patent infringement.


Username does not check out.
Posted by HerkFlyer
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 11:27 pm to
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I'm guessing it's got alot of tiny thrusters to maneuver it.

That would be my guess as well, but it begs the question... why?

Thrusters would have a limited amount of control inputs because you're now using a fuel to control the aircraft. Finite control inputs would be a non-starter for most pilots. Who wants a MCWS warning that they're low on the ability to control their vessel?

Also, we have stealth aircraft with external moving parts already. The big question to me is what is the benefit of NOT having external moving parts? Efficiency through reduced parasitic drag?

Probably stating the obvious here, but I'm guessing there is something at play bigger than my dumbed down understanding of how airplanes fly.

Edit: Forgot we've been using nitrogen thrusters on spacecraft since the 60's. So it's been done. Just doesn't seem practical for an atmospheric vessel.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 11:38 pm
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:03 am to
Some fun guesses are it can possibly change airfoil shape, like a skin over some sort of frame that can warp. That in combination with an ability to quickly actuate its center of gravity internally.

Im taking compressible fluid flow this semester. I could ask my prof what he thinks.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:27 am to
I remember about 20-25 years ago, the Auburn Aerospace Engineering department was looking at piezo-electric control of the flight surfaces, basically changing the airfoil shape to optimize flow without using separate control surfaces like flaps.

At least that's how I remember reading it....

Adding energy to the flow
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am
Posted by holdem Tiger
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:29 am to
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master's thesis


Pulsed flow vortex control over delta wing?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:04 am to
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aileron

Username does not check out.


I dunno. You can't spell aileron without alien...
Posted by UASports23
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:22 am to
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It probably wears Addis tracksuits.


Russian AI named Rasputin and wears Adidas tracksuits sounds very right.
Posted by blue_morrison
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:25 am to
Damn I should have stayed in the engineering school there.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:34 am to
got my degree there in the 80s so this was after my time...
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 7:36 am
Posted by USMCguy121
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:38 am to
Guy I knew worked on one of those black triangles. Said the engineers mocked the design and called it the flying dorito. Designers, engineers, and bean counters don't get along.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 7:39 am
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:51 am to
If you don’t move the surfaces in any way

How does the air flow around it change??
Posted by SantaFe
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:00 am to
Many people are being misled.

This type of vehicle is able to manipulate local gravity fields.
Posted by Pierre
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:03 am to
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aileron


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This was basically my master's thesis about 20 years ago. I'd better check for patent infringement.


Checks out
Posted by threeputtforbogie
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:22 am to
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Rogan interviewed an investigative reporter recently who spent several years investigating DARPA & it's scary. Not only what's on the drawing table and what's being tested but also who is pulling the purse strings. Musk has called it THE most secretive agency in the Federal Govt. and is doing things with A.I.'s that are beyond the general public's imagination. He said Russia has its own DARPA & it's all in on A.I.'s as well.


Which episode was this?
Posted by BMax12
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:28 am to
Couldn’t you divert airflow from the main engine? My guess would be pull a small amount of air from main engine to say the tip of the wings in the up or down direction and you can essentially move the jet that way. Left and right up and down at the tail… you get the idea.
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