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re: Dallas Police body cam released of man who died in custody
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:18 am to SUB
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:18 am to SUB
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I don't really know how police are supposed to handle situations
Neither are they. Cops today aren't trained on how to adequately handle mentally ill people. But they're expected to because mental health care in this country is pretty abysmal. So you end up with situations like this one. The joking and laughing comes across pretty callous and is very disturbing to listen to.
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Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:18 am to brass2mouth
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Well they wouldn’t give a sedative to a dead guy so he was alive when the medics took him...
Cops didn’t kill him, his drug cocktail did
Yep.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:18 am to brass2mouth
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Well they wouldn’t give a sedative to a dead guy so he was alive when the medics took him...
Cops didn’t kill him, his drug cocktail did.
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Timpa died as a result of "sudden cardiac death due to the toxic effects of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical restraint," according to an autopsy report. His death was ruled a homicide.
I'm sure you know more than the ME though.
And do note, homicide only means it was caused by another human. It says nothing about guilt or intent. So the cops certainly were partly responsible for his death; however, they were not found criminally liable.
This post was edited on 8/2/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:19 am to SUB
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It's clear they weren't trying to hurt the guy. It sounded like he was rolling around and they were afraid he was going to kill himself by stumbling into traffic or something. I really don't know what to think.
My thought is why didn't they put him in the back of a cop car until the ambulance gets there?
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:20 am to TH03
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You're not wrong, I'm just saying it's a bad look regardless.
Rational people will say what you just said and be correct, but you and I both know the rational people aren't the ones who scream the loudest.
I guess I'm just trying to say context is important. But, then again, no one want's to hear about context these days.
I also think it's disingenuous to release an edited version of the video with commentary. Release the raw footage and don't edit to give the audience what you think they should see.
It also seems as though there may have been some underlying medical conditions that contributed to this guy's death.
This post was edited on 8/2/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:22 am to The Spleen
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But they're expected to because mental health care in this country is pretty abysmal. So you end up with situations like this one. The joking and laughing comes across pretty callous and is very disturbing to listen to.
How would you propose to handle someone who needs meds but occasionally doesn't take them?
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:22 am to SUB
The video should not be edited like that.
At that point, it’s nothing but a scripted reality show
At that point, it’s nothing but a scripted reality show
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:22 am to SUB
Here's a tip for Tommy Timpa and any others, when the cops give you an order follow it.
If not you may end up dead.
He should have calmed down and shut the F up and he would be at the yacht club in Rockwall today
If not you may end up dead.
He should have calmed down and shut the F up and he would be at the yacht club in Rockwall today
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:22 am to upgrayedd
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I guess I'm just trying to say context is important. But, then again, no one want's to hear about context these days
This is pretty much what I'm saying. I agree with you.
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I also think it's disingenuous to release an edited version of the video with commentary. Release the raw footage and don't edit to give the audience what you think they should see
100%
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:24 am to SUB
Maybe a schizo should be in a mental ward. Why was he doing cocaine?
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:27 am to The Spleen
Yeah, that was tough to watch. Cops acted like a bunch of mischievous high school kids.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:27 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Maybe a schizo should be in a mental ward. Why was he doing cocaine?
Schizo's love drugs
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:28 am to SUB
The sad part in all of this is that the guy who died is the one that called 911 in the first place, saying he needed help.
The cops are pretty callous about the whole thing but I don’t think anyone intended to hurt the guy. As others have stated, it seems like this is more a lack of training and (big picture) poor handling of mental health in general. At the same time, I can completely understand the family’s anger.
The cops are pretty callous about the whole thing but I don’t think anyone intended to hurt the guy. As others have stated, it seems like this is more a lack of training and (big picture) poor handling of mental health in general. At the same time, I can completely understand the family’s anger.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:28 am to The Torch
The video looks edited to lean to one side like (AS)
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:29 am to SUB
I worked in Hollywood (ca) for over 5 years and the area was filled with crazy people. They burden and harass regular citizens. I just don’t find this tragic.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:30 am to YouAre8Up
He was restrained for 14 minutes yet the entire video is less than 7
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:32 am to upgrayedd
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I also think it's disingenuous to release an edited version of the video with commentary. Release the raw footage and don't edit to give the audience what you think they should see.
Yeah, I agree. There's no valid reason at this point to not post the whole video.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:34 am to Day Wisher
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They murdered someone on video while laughing. Let them rot.
Part of me agrees but you also have to consider having to physically restrain someone is routine for these cops so it's just another day for them. Joking about it is a coping mechanism that all of us would use in the same situation.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:35 am to Packer
Not macho enough.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:35 am to upgrayedd
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How would you propose to handle someone who needs meds but occasionally doesn't take them?
I honestly have no idea.
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