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re: Covid19 is now officially a hoax
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:18 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:18 am to LNCHBOX
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How do people still not get what flattening the curve actually accomplishes? You've had almost two months to figure it out
The universally stated purpose was to "flatten the curve" so as to not overwhelm our medical system. Mission accomplished and then some. It was never to eliminate the virus or do away with the risk that people might be infected. That will never happen. Doesn't matter how long you "shelter in place."
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:19 am to SloaneRanger
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And hiding in our homes another week, month, three months, whatever is going to change exactly nothing
I haven't been hiding in my home. Am I spending more time at home? Absolutely, but I go to the grocery store once a week, I go pick up food curbside once or twice a week, I ride my bike almost every day, I take the dog for a walk every day, etc. I've actually really enjoyed those aspects of this, but certainly have a lot of empathy for those that have lost their jobs.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:19 am to LordSaintly
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While I’m glad this virus seems to be slowing down, it’s certainly not a hoax.
The virus was initially overblown and reported in such a way as to maximize hysteria. In response, governments destroyed their own economies. Call it whatever you want. It's all been a travesty, fueled by emotions, images from Italy, and unreliable data. The whole event is a stain on American history.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:20 am to SloaneRanger
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The universally stated purpose was to "flatten the curve" so as to not overwhelm our medical system. Mission accomplished and then some.
I'm confused. In your last post you said it changed exactly nothing.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:20 am to BlindTiger7
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Agreed. I don't know how I'm still surprised at the ignorance on this board
The OT:
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:21 am to PearlJam
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What of there was an infection rate 20 times greater than flu?
Depends on the IFR.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:21 am to The Spleen
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I haven't been hiding in my home. Am I spending more time at home? Absolutely, but I go to the grocery store once a week, I go pick up food curbside once or twice a week, I ride my bike almost every day, I take the dog for a walk every day, etc. I've actually really enjoyed those aspects of this, but certainly have a lot of empathy for those that have lost their jobs.
Then explain to me why smaller retail stores can't open. How about the botanical gardens or zoo?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:22 am to LNCHBOX
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Not sure what data will show what happened in the hospitals in NOLA, NYC, etc. But resource availability was almost an issue in these areas even with all the measures.
It never became an issue. And, you haven't been paying attention because hospital availability was significantly ramped up. It wasn't needed as it turns out, but they added thousands of beds in both NY and LA...and in LA, they actually cancelled adding more. In other words, it wasn't a static situation.
Just as importantly, applying special situations (NY's population density and NOLA's Mardi Gras) is a fundamentally flawed position to take.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:23 am to LNCHBOX
How freaking dense can you be. We have solved the hospital capacity problem. The state of Alabama has a couple of hundred inpatient Covid patients max. Otherwise the hospitals are empty. We were never close to being overwhelmed. It is time to open up and carry on.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:24 am to moneyg
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It never became an issue.
I'd disagree.
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It wasn't needed as it turns out
Almost as if we did something to make that so...
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Just as importantly, applying special situations (NY's population density and NOLA's Mardi Gras) is a fundamentally flawed position to take.
Is it more or less flawed than pretending that the distancing measures didn't have any effects on how this virus has impacted us?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:24 am to uway
quote:This is the biggest issue.
The virus was initially overblown and reported in such a way as to maximize hysteria. In response, governments destroyed their own economies. Call it whatever you want. It's all been a travesty, fueled by emotions, images from Italy, and unreliable data.
It isn’t a hoax, but the media, social media sites, and our politicians sold hysteria to the masses based on initial reports of bodies in the streets and millions dead.
People ran with accounts of a minimum 500,000 dead bodies EVEN WITH MITIGATION.
Then, out of fear and emotion, our population demanded that their leaders order unheard of restrictions on our rights.
So many people who are pissed off now are the same ones who demanded these actions in the first place.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:25 am to moneyg
quote:Do you really think its that people all around the world want their economies to be damaged, or do you think it's more likely that they either believe lifting restrictions too soon will cause greater economic damage than waiting a bit longer or that the cost in lives will not be worth the economic gains?
If I wanted to argue that point, I'd point out that I see EVERY DAY people wanting the damage to the economy to continue and for this to be prolonged. This is political, IMO. I don't think this is debatable.
Remember, if this is political, it's not just political for the USA. It would be political in every nation at the same time.
quote:So then you think it wasn't deliberate, making this too, by definition not a hoax?
Furthermore, I don't think it takes "scientists around the world" to deliberately lie in some sort of grand conspiracy. The studies coming out are examples of scientists doing their thing.
So the virus itself isn't a hoax, the dead people aren't a hoax, and the predictions of experts about its severity weren't a hoax, making "hoax" a pretty misleading and deliberately inflammatory word to be throwing around.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:25 am to LNCHBOX
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Not sure what data will show what happened in the hospitals in NOLA, NYC, etc. But resource availability was almost an issue in these areas even with all the measures.
Certain hospitals were overrun during the bad flu season of 2018. People adjusted and moved on.
Fears of a lack of "Resource availability" do not justify the government taking away people's rights and ability to make a living.
You don't solve a possible crisis by instituting a different crisis that could very well be worse.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:28 am to uway
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You don't solve a possible crisis by instituting a different crisis that could very well be worse.
Super easy to say this in hindsight having a better understanding of how a new virus actually affected us.
Look, I'm very much on team we overreacted and shite needs to be opening back up. But that doesn't mean that this was a hoax or that the distancing measures were unnecessary.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:28 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Considering that most research estimates that social distancing/mitigation efforts will have from 20-30% impact on infection rates, the initial estimates that were used to fuel hysteria were so overblown that we can’t exactly justify it based on those numbers.
Almost as if we did something to make that so...
70-90% reduction seen in areas is more of a sign that the initial numbers used to fuel this hysteria were so beyond faulty that they should have been disregarded from the get go.
Yes, clearly the shutdown had an impact. That is how it works.
But what sort of impact is unknown considering the abomination of the initial models.
If we would have had our current models at the start of this, we never would have undergone the extreme measures that we took.
It wouldn’t make sense to.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:29 am to jimmyb1234
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Covid19 is now officially a hoax
Not so fast my friend. You left out a key point.
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The study's results have not yet been peer reviewed by other scientists.
This could be junk science.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:30 am to jimmyb1234
Well your thread title is just all wrong man 
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:31 am to Chuck Barris
quote:I would never say that it was deliberate, but the initial models were so bad that the individuals who actually released them should be banned from all reputed scientific journals.
So then you think it wasn't deliberate, making this too, by definition not a hoax?
They knew the data was bad, yet they still released the information as fact and that, IMO, is unethical.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:33 am to rsbd
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7 posts to many
to many what?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:35 am to LNCHBOX
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Super easy to say this in hindsight having a better understanding of how a new virus actually affected us
I tried to rebut this yesterday but my point didn't get across.
Instead, let me ask this question. In the future, do you think that we should wait for better data before we shut down the economy, substantially limit everyone's rights, sow fear in the populace that gets dads cuffed for playing in the park, etc, in the face of a novel virus?
Is it good that the government stepped in and did untold damage based on the worst-case scenarios which were based on limited data?
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:46 am
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